Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1178 Spoilers Discussion

[Shiroyru]

So the question becomes “who was more nerfed?”

The answer is obviously Kizaru who was ordered to murder his friends (Akainu is the best fleet admiral ever for sending Kizaru on this mission), Kizaru also had no interest in killing Luffy and even helping Luffy outright

Luffy was far, far less restrained. His only objective was to prevent a completely half assed Admiral from killing someone he didn’t actually want to kill lol.

Kizaru didn’t like that he had to kill Vegapunk, but he still carried out his mission with efficiency. Otherwise, he would have just pretended to be occupied with Nika and let Sanji escape with Vegapunk, but instead he went for the kill shot immediately. The Uber Eats stuff was done to save Bonney, not Vegapunk.

Tbh idk why y’all want to argue that the Admirals are secretly weak willed when willpower is literally what fuels the most important power in the series (Haki).

 

[Shiroyru]

@soupongo Who do us Sommers enjoyers want him to fight, Sanji or Zolo?

 

[Redboy776]

Loki is just an oversized fodder giant without his legendary fruit and weapon his haki is utter garbage btw so far we haven't seen anything impressive he has been carried entire by his df and weapon

Kaido actualy hqrdcounter loki.

Dragontwister counter lokis lightning, fire like magma counter ragnir, supreme blade level kanabo, speed that blize gear five luffy who can land hit on imuko.

 

[Kizaruber Eats]

What form was Loki in when Imu dodged his attacks? @Worstgenhq

Imu dodging the attacks:

(I heard imu was in the blob form like at gods valley but not sure if true)

 

[MonochromeYoru]

Kaido actualy hqrdcounter loki.

Dragontwister counter lokis lightning, fire like magma counter ragnir, supreme blade level kanabo, speed that blize gear five luffy who can land hit on imuko.

loki hardcounters kaido by just being way stronger

 

[Redboy776]

goofy is so trash

If Zoro and luffy vs loki actualy happened it would have end up in a 1 vs 1 after nika gass out.



If only gaban knew he wouldnt give up so easily.

Zoro would have to carry.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Gotta wonder where this arc is actually going. I had thought that before this knocking Imu out of Gunko would be the main focus of the rest of the arc and now we resolved that in a chapter (or Gunko is gone idk).

What has me curious is someone else took all of the Library books, and now Imu is either coming back to Elbaph in person or doing something else?

Absolutely the weirdest arc structure Oda has done, and honestly I welcome it. I have no idea how this is ending save for Imu not actually losing here, which brings into question on what it all eventually means.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

@soupongo Who do us Sommers enjoyers want him to fight, Sanji or Zolo?

Gaban

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Gotta wonder where this arc is actually going. I had thought that before this knocking Imu out of Gunko would be the main focus of the rest of the arc and now we resolved that in a chapter (or Gunko is gone idk).

What has me curious is someone else took all of the Library books, and now Imu is either coming back to Elbaph in person or doing something else?

Absolutely the weirdest arc structure Oda has done, and honestly I welcome it. I have no idea how this is ending save for Imu actually losing here, which brings into question on what it all eventually means.

The only hope for the allies to win is for them to destroy the pentagram that connects Imu/HKs to Elbaf.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Usopp gets that role, so he can be the hero of the arc. Either him or Hajrudin imo.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Tbh idk why y’all want to argue that the Admirals are secretly weak willed when willpower is literally what fuels the most important power in the series (Haki).

Kizaru murdering his best friend shows that he is strong willed, not weak willed lmfao. It takes a strong will to murder someone you don’t want to murder lol.

It’s easy to punch your enemy in the face (Luffy), it takes a god like will to kill those you love (Wizaru)

 

[Redboy776]

@mly90 @nik87 lets see how loki perform, in rooftop Zoro has to save luffys ass several time once why he got injured in the first place othewise if someone could have dodged hakkai it was zoro with his crazy reaction speed.

But luffys slow ass made it impossible for zoro to do anything else but use himself as a shield to protect nika lets see if loki can fight that well and protect nika simultanuously.

 

[comrade]

So the question becomes “who was more nerfed?”

The answer is obviously Kizaru who was ordered to murder his friends (Akainu is the best fleet admiral ever for sending Kizaru on this mission), Kizaru also had no interest in killing Luffy and even helping Luffy outright

Luffy was far, far less restrained. His only objective was to prevent a completely half assed Admiral from killing someone he didn’t actually want to kill lol.

Don't forget Kizaru said that he must not cause collateral damage to the surroundings.

No collateral damage for the most destructive Logia.

Not to mention Saturn pointing out how it was out of character for Kizaru to be so slow and sluggish. And even then Kizaru ended up cheering for Luffy and supplying him with food because Luffy's second strongest attack to the head couldn't bother Kizaru.

Just how nerfed was Kizaru.

 

[Jackteo]

@soupongo Who do us Sommers enjoyers want him to fight, Sanji or Zolo?

Above all I am a Sanji fan so I'm certainly not unbiased. I think it really depends on what you enjoy more: Zoro vs Sommers is clearly the best if you mostly care about Sommers' perceived level. Sanji vs Sommers would be much more thematic, fun and visually appealing.
Win win for us Sommers fans

 

[Redboy776]

no wonder the Gorosei were shitting their pants when Kuzan left

Ice is a form of sealing technique in many magic story.

A very high form of sealing beside turning the enemies into stone.

 

[Fn Lucci]

"eris, I can't be King of the world unless I can beat that monster"

"Have you tried yelling GO AWAY?"

 

[soupongo]

@soupongo Who do us Sommers enjoyers want him to fight, Sanji or Zolo?

Oh god

I´m not particularly excited for either, but I think Sanji vs a Paramecia would be awful. Tbh, I think Oda should have just made Robin YC level, because her vs Sommers would be pretty entertaining

 

[Shiroyru]

Kizaru murdering his best friend shows that he is strong willed, not weak willed lmfao. It takes a strong will to murder someone you don’t want to murder lol.

It’s easy to punch your enemy in the face (Luffy), it takes a god like will to kill those you love (Wizaru)

Yes, and he didn’t let his personal feelings interfere with the mission

 

[Paperchampion23]

The only hope for the allies to win is for them to destroy the pentagram that connects Imu/HKs to Elbaf.

Wouldn’t be surprised if Usopp gets that role, so he can be the hero of the arc. Either him or Hajrudin imo.

Thats actually not a bad idea. It probably will center around removing their link to Elbaph

 

[Redboy776]

I will wait for the raw, depend if Sommer is completely unharmed if so then he is far more powerfull (his invulnerability is far more busted) than I expected.

Meaning you will need the highest level of AP to defeat him and leave real damage or Ragnirs ice to freeze him permanently (meaning again ragnir hard carry loki).

 

[Shiroyru]

Luffy's second strongest attack to the head couldn't bother Kizaru.

Dawn Gatling and Dawn Thor Rifle >> tbh