Controversial General Political Discussion

[Midnight Delight]

Interesting geopolitical move by Trump - he said MBS didn't believe he'd ever have to "kiss my ass, but he did. He thought I'd be another loser president"

I know Biden was memed for his incoherence but good Lord what is this

Idk If I even have to mention this but

This type of trash talk pretty much starts fights in Places like Saudi Arabia, only among certain subcultures is it seen as "banter", and even then it's never to someone at MBS's age

Trump pretty much embarrassed MBS heavily among his country by talking this way

 

[Reborn]

Idk If I even have to mention this but

This type of trash talk pretty much starts fights in Places like Saudi Arabia, only among certain subcultures is it seen as "banter", and even then it's never to someone at MBS's age

Trump pretty much embarrassed MBS heavily among his country by talking this way

That's not what he's doing.

Pick the context and you will understand why this trash talk happened

 

[Midnight Delight]

That's not what he's doing.

Pick the context and you will understand why this trash talk happened

I do know the context

"Vulgar" talk in middle east culture is extremely taboo, especially in public

 

[Mathias]

As for easing the pain of those who suffer the most, we know that there are solution.

What are these solutions ?

Anyway. The current legislation that could go through French Parliament is as follows. Assisted suicide isn't even about handicapped people but very sick people with incurable illness at a serious stage. There are even more requirements to that. It's a very strict procedure and doctors can even refuse to euthanize the person... and as we know doctors are usually conservative so they're likely to refuse.

Needless to bring up the nazis when the legislation on debate at the Senate includes "to make a free and informed request" from the very sick person in the requirements. It isn't something that is brought up by the hateful family.

The French law isn't about handicaps.


Lots of religious arguments or same arguments before abortion was legalized are usually brought up.
I hope you're not being swayed by them.

 

[Reborn]

I do know the context

"Vulgar" talk in middle east culture is extremely taboo, especially in public

Even though I, myself have said many times that Trump is an idiot and not a statesman but this guy is anything but an idiot.

In the same speech, he called him a fantastic man.

Trump often use aggressive and exaggerated statements. This wasn't a dig at MBS but it's more like power signalling.

He likes to exert dominance via statements and come across as strongman.

Saudi won't do anything because Trump is right - they handed over massive leverage to US in past one year.

 

[Midnight Delight]

Even though I, myself have said many times that Trump is an idiot and not a statesman but this guy is anything but an idiot.

In the same speech, he called him a fantastic man.

Trump often use aggressive and exaggerated statements. This wasn't a dig at MBS but it's more like power signalling.

He likes to exert dominance via statements and come across as strongman.

Saudi won't do anything because Trump is right - they handed over massive leverage to US in past one year.

I feel like you are ignoring the cultural context

Lockerroom talk is just not something you say in places like Saudi Arabia

Imagine the Average rural saudi family turning on the TV and hearing trump talking about gay ass licking,

 

[Reborn]

I feel like you are ignoring the cultural context

Lockerroom talk is just not something you say in places like Saudi Arabia

Imagine the Average rural saudi family turning on the TV and hearing trump talking about gay ass licking,

I am saying even if they don't like it (which definitely they won't ), they still can't do anything about it.

Trump doesn't care about perception as long as he's getting the deal and leverage he seeks.

 

[Logiko]

Yes you didnt name a particular individual here, but you still made the claim, which is why i asked for you to point to anyone here saying shit like you claimed.

You failed the burden of proof on this one and had to get defensive as fuck over me calling you out.

Almost good deflection, almost. . .

I will accept your rethoric through critical thinking tool (like the burden of proof) when you will have proven to me that you are capable of accepting to have a critical thinking driven conversation. In the meantime, I have nothing to prove to you.

So abortion is wrong if its done for eugenic purposes?

Obviously.

Lots of religious arguments or same arguments before abortion was legalized are usually brought up.
I hope you're not being swayed by them.

No don't worry, we oppose the rconservative activists on this. It's far-far-left activism. Something that most leftist are missing since we are invizibilized by pretty much the entire political spectrum (conservatists are actually recuperating our arguments and twisting them). It's one of the many reason why we have problems with LFI. They jumped into the trap without thinking.

We are only supported by intersextional marxist, anarchist and communist.

What are these solutions ?

To begin, a better access to palliative care. We know that the demand of death is correlated to the lack of accessibility in palliative care. And in our current destroyed healthcare society, it's imperative to create a better access first then to look for the exceptionnal cases and the demand of assisted suicide. Which usually can be helped through a better accesibility of medication.

I'm sending you to this article from an antivalidist collective group in strasbourg who had a discussion with a EELV partisan of a text: https://blogs.mediapart.fr/collecti...-avec-une-deputee-eelv-revele-le-vrai-clivage

It will make you understand the anti-validist pov.

Also there is this video from Elisa Rojas that is a MUST see. (sorry guyz, it's in french)

Then, you absolutely need to look at this video from Leo:

I'll not reply to the rest, the ressources I gave you should help you understand better than I would the problem with the law and the fact that even if disabled people are not the subject, they are central in the problem, ignored and threatenned

 

[Midnight Delight]

I am saying even if they don't like it (which definitely they won't ), they still can't do anything about it.

Trump doesn't care about perception as long as he's getting the deal and leverage he seeks.

Which is my point
He doesn't really have a diplomatic hand, just a forceful one

 

[Midnight Delight]

Code switching is an important skill to learn when you interact with people from different regions Races financial Classes Cultures and religions than you

Not sure how Trump survived so long without learning it

 

[Midnight Delight]

Or maybe he never survived, he just had fuck you money and got lucky that he never bankrupted too hard

 

[Zenos7]

I will accept your rethoric through critical thinking tool (like the burden of proof) when you will have proven to me that you are capable of accepting to have a critical thinking driven conversation. In the meantime, I have nothing to prove to you.

So you are a coward.

Burden of proof has got nothing to do with me, or anyone but the one making the claim.

So deflection, dodging burden of proof, moving the goalpost

All to just not have any accountability regarding your bullshit claim i called out.

 

[Zenos7]

Obviously

But women should still be able to get these abortions you deem wrong?

 

[Uncle Van]

No. I'm giving you information. It's up to you to see if that's sounds familiar or not. Your constant reframing of racism, your material interest, your position and your eternal desire to show that leftist like me are "exagerating" has all the sign of what Fanon explained for colonialism, but also what antiracist and antiimperialist analyze as a fundamental constituant of the centrist and reactionnary votes in the world when it comes to racialized communities.

You are not giving me information. It is completely irrelevant to what I said about me not growing up hateful despite my experiences. So you need be hateful to understand systemic problems or something?

You are the one that posted the counter argument that I'm trying to be white or adopt white customs for not ended up the way you assume I should've.

I'm not giving any conclusion, I'm telling you what I see. And thus, I give you contextual documentations. (also be careful with Fanon, the guy was a psychiatrist, is understanding of whiteness is important, but it also has its limits. Take the informations with care)

You're telling what you assume because you need some explanation that's convenient for your agenda. The amount of times you've been "surprised" by my opinions and self awareness while never doing the same for me is very telling.

You always assume there's some "blockage" that prevents people from agreeing with everything you say.

I'm very clear with my point. If you take me giving you informations as me trying to educate you, yeah, that's the point. If you are trying to twist that into some sort of white savior bullshit.. (because I know how you work with me) , what do you want me to say? Think what you want mate.

This is nothing but another attempt by you to find some psychological barrier to explain the great sin of me not agreeing with everything you say. You are the one who linked a psychiatrist that studies white savior mindets as a counter argument to me saying that I didn't become hateful. Learn the basics of debate.

This information is fundamental to understand why racialized people defend the system in racist setting, if you feel belittled by that. I'm sorry, it's not the point. The point is to show you that there is a reason behind the defense of racism from racialized people. Whiteness is a status within whitesupremacy that is reserved to non-racialized people (the point). Whiteness is the reason why white people vote for Trump EVEN when they are directly impacted by his system. But it's also why people of color vote for him EVEN if he is racist.

Whiteness creates a status where white people will know through education that they will benefit from a better life than people of color. Charle W Mills calls this the "Racial contract". And the is tricky because within white supremacy, racialized people will seek this "whiteness" thus creating the condition of their own oppression and invisibilization but also exploitation.

Have you never heard the sentence: "Asian people are exemples in society"? Whiteness is exactly that, it create a push for racialized people to access to a form of respectability toward white people. An illusion that only last as long as they won't ask for more than what they are allowed.

If they ask for too much or if they raise concern, you will see white supremacy turn on them very quickly. So I'm sorry if you feel bad from me saying this, but this "respectability" in front of racism and the call out of the "bad apples" of other people of colors because "they are going too far" is something I've dealt with time and time again in this thread.

This is irrelevant to my original post though. Saying otherwise means you are trying to be a psychiatrist and knows my mind better than I do despite having no information.

Again, sounds like dogma to me. Especially when the knowledge I give you comes from science and other scholars.. Imagine scientists saying to their peers "I don't care about your understanding, don't give your own definitions" lmao

Well you are not scientists, I know, but I believe you are still rationnal people. Capable of looking up for documentations and info.

Hey guess what? These scholars arent suggesting a change in defintion. You are the one that are taking their works and going "You know what? The words should mean this instead!" and then hide behind scholars when their works are irrelevant to you using works incorrectly. Other scholars dont give you the excuse to make up your own versions and then expect others to follow. You yourself are not a scientist.

 

[Zenos7]

You always assume there's some "blockage" that prevents people from agreeing eith everything you say.

Dude is just crazy arrogant with a complete lack of self awareness

 

[Zenos7]

This is irrelevant to my original post though. Saying otherwise means you are trying to be psychiatrist and knows my mind better than I do despite having no information.

Dude knows better about the tought processes of people i converse with IRL than me or the people im talking to.

Clearly the great ilLogiko knows best

 

[Rej]

Code switching is an important skill to learn when you interact with people from different regions Races financial Classes Cultures and religions than you

Not sure how Trump survived so long without learning it

everything around Trump is questionable, that dude must be a hologram/simulation

 

[NikaInParis]

Considering the cultural context and, hell, common sense, MBS is between a rock and a hard place now - either risk any face he has and not respond to the Trump line at all (or downplay it) OR respond in line with his position (both real.and self-imagined).

Saying ANY world leader has to kiss your ass is retarded and apolitical to the extreme.
Saying it to your biggest Muslim (and arguably middle eastern, considering the oil deals) ally is beyond brain dead. His cabinet needs to put him on a leash asap if they want to save any face by the end of this term.

 

[Jiihad]

Considering the cultural context and, hell, common sense, MBS is between a rock and a hard place now - either risk any face he has and not respond to the Trump line at all (or downplay it) OR respond in line with his position (both real.and self-imagined).

Saying ANY world leader has to kiss your ass is retarded and apolitical to the extreme.
Saying it to your biggest Muslim (and arguably middle eastern, considering the oil deals) ally is beyond brain dead. His cabinet needs to put him on a leash asap if they want to save any face by the end of this term.

Thing is they Kant lmao. They’re scared of their own base of supporters and voters. And they know that tha PDF in charge is tha ONLY one they listen to, so if he gives em marching orders they gonna carry that shit out with a smile

Don’t forget that MAGA dude that ran up and killed that Minnesota mayor and her husband and they dog or sum a few months back

 

[NikaInParis]

Thing is they Kant lmao. They’re scared of their own base of supporters and voters. And they know that tha PDF in charge is tha ONLY one they listen to, so if he gives em marching orders they gonna carry that shit out with a smile

Don’t forget that MAGA dude that ran up and killed that Minnesota mayor and her husband and they dog or sum a few months back

Oh I know, I'm just being idealistic😆