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Lol what?
So Law isn't a threat to them?
Or Kidd?
Or Sabo?
Or Ace?
Or Shiryu?
Or Hancock?
I never get posts like this. Sure Sanji and Zoro have great portrayal and feats but saying "only top tiers can threaten them now!!" is an incredibly baseless claim that has no backing in the story. There's no reason to assume Sanji can easily beat one of the strongest Warlords just because "He's Luffy's wing tho!!". The wings statement only puts him above other Straw Hats at best
So Law isn't a threat to them?
Or Kidd?
Or Sabo?
Or Ace?
Or Shiryu?
Or Hancock?
I never get posts like this. Sure Sanji and Zoro have great portrayal and feats but saying "only top tiers can threaten them now!!" is an incredibly baseless claim that has no backing in the story. There's no reason to assume Sanji can easily beat one of the strongest Warlords just because "He's Luffy's wing tho!!". The wings statement only puts him above other Straw Hats at best
Law and Kid are Admiral level in my book, current Sabo probably is too. Shiryu will be even stronger than Admirals, once he reaches his ceiling. Ace is dead and he was YC3 at best, he never reached his full potential. I'm not sure where I'd put Hancock, but I'd say she's YC1 at best. Heck, she might even be weaker than Doflamingo.
As baseless as your claim about Sanji extreme diffing Crocodile at best. Which is irrelevant because I never claimed it's factual, so I don't have to prove anything. Nobody can claim to know where Zoro and Sanji stand exactly, but saying the PK's wings are only beatable for top tiers now that we're in the final saga, is a valid take.
Btw, why the double exclamation mark when quoting me? Why the need to create this caricature of a roid, overenthusiastic fan to represent an opinion you don't like and defend your stance? I'm asking because it's not the first time I see you use these tactics, trying to make someone look unhinged when their powerscaling bothers you. I appreciate the fact you never lose your cool and resort to insults, but this passive-aggressive method to weaken someone's take is annoying and it doesn't help your point in the slightest. You're not the sensible guy surrounded by loonies, you just someone giving your own opinion, which is not more legit than mine or someone else's.
As baseless as your claim about Sanji extreme diffing Crocodile at best. Which is irrelevant because I never claimed it's factual, so I don't have to prove anything. Nobody can claim to know where Zoro and Sanji stand exactly, but saying the PK's wings are only beatable for top tiers now that we're in the final saga, is a valid take.
Btw, why the double exclamation mark when quoting me? Why the need to create this caricature of a roid, overenthusiastic fan to represent an opinion you don't like and defend your stance? I'm asking because it's not the first time I see you use these tactics, trying to make someone look unhinged when their powerscaling bothers you. I appreciate the fact you never lose your cool and resort to insults, but this passive-aggressive method to weaken someone's take is annoying and it doesn't help your point in the slightest. You're not the sensible guy surrounded by loonies, you just someone giving your own opinion, which is not more legit than mine or someone else's.
I'm just saying that what I said at least has a fair amount of evidence for it though. Between Croc seemingly defeating 3 Seraphim by himself, getting a bounty of 1.8B, being a former Warlord, and being someone Mihawk respected enough to form an equal alliance with, it does seem like he's on the same level as Sanji where he's above high tiers like King or Doflamingo but below top tiers like Kuzan or Old Gaban.
Of course this isn't confirmed, but, I do think it's pretty likely to be his canon scaling given how Oda treats him in the story.
And I'm not really portraying you as some drooling half wit moron with my comments, or at least that wasn't my intention (I only get aggressive with someone if they're clearly aggressive with me). I'm trying to say you're acting a bit fanatical here when you're just boldly claiming that nobody short of top tiers can give Sanji and Zoro a real fight when nothing in the story even suggests that.
Of course this isn't confirmed, but, I do think it's pretty likely to be his canon scaling given how Oda treats him in the story.
And I'm not really portraying you as some drooling half wit moron with my comments, or at least that wasn't my intention (I only get aggressive with someone if they're clearly aggressive with me). I'm trying to say you're acting a bit fanatical here when you're just boldly claiming that nobody short of top tiers can give Sanji and Zoro a real fight when nothing in the story even suggests that.
Problem is you use the fanatic/hater card every time you disagree.
Their Egghead and Elbaf showings, along with them factually growing stronger through their battles each arc - stated in the manga - is more telling than Crocodile "seemingly" (headcanon) defeating 3 Seraphims. He has his 1.9 bounty going for him, I'll give him that, but again, bounties aren't like scouter power levels in Dragon Ball. Zoro and Sanji themselves still have bounties lower than the guys they defeated back in Wano.
Imo Zoro and Sanji are currently the bridge between YC1 and Admiral level, with most characters being either YC tier or lower, or Admiral tier or higher. We're approaching endgame, there are like 2-3 arcs left. There's nothing fanatical about that take, it makes perfect sense based on what we see.
Their Egghead and Elbaf showings, along with them factually growing stronger through their battles each arc - stated in the manga - is more telling than Crocodile "seemingly" (headcanon) defeating 3 Seraphims. He has his 1.9 bounty going for him, I'll give him that, but again, bounties aren't like scouter power levels in Dragon Ball. Zoro and Sanji themselves still have bounties lower than the guys they defeated back in Wano.
Imo Zoro and Sanji are currently the bridge between YC1 and Admiral level, with most characters being either YC tier or lower, or Admiral tier or higher. We're approaching endgame, there are like 2-3 arcs left. There's nothing fanatical about that take, it makes perfect sense based on what we see.
I don't know, Zoro didn't even have good control over his Conq Haki until VERY recently, and Sanji still doesn't have any advanced Haki at all. Not saying those abilities are absolute necessities to be a top tier, but, the fact that all top tiers have that or have something to make up for it like an incredibly busted Logia is very telling imo.
Zoro was being chastised for not having good enough control over the power he possesses. I just can't see someone like him, or his equal Sanji, being on the level of people like the Admirals or Gorosei yet.
So while I do agree with the first sentence in this quote (I do tend to write people off as simply being too fanatic or hating a character a lot, I should cut down on it a bit), I don't really agree with the second one. I can't see how it makes sense to claim Zoro and Sanji are top tiers worthy of fighting the Gorosei already when everything in the story actually suggests they still need to grow a bit in order to be on that level.
Again, just look at Law vs Blackbeard. Even someone as strong as him couldn't do more than push him to a mid diff. It's not even slander to think these characters aren't on that level yet, it's just proof of how absurdly strong the top tiers in this verse are.
Zoro was being chastised for not having good enough control over the power he possesses. I just can't see someone like him, or his equal Sanji, being on the level of people like the Admirals or Gorosei yet.
So while I do agree with the first sentence in this quote (I do tend to write people off as simply being too fanatic or hating a character a lot, I should cut down on it a bit), I don't really agree with the second one. I can't see how it makes sense to claim Zoro and Sanji are top tiers worthy of fighting the Gorosei already when everything in the story actually suggests they still need to grow a bit in order to be on that level.
Again, just look at Law vs Blackbeard. Even someone as strong as him couldn't do more than push him to a mid diff. It's not even slander to think these characters aren't on that level yet, it's just proof of how absurdly strong the top tiers in this verse are.
Lol no, it absolutely doesn't. Now you're just arguing in bad faith. You went as far as completely rephrase my statement so it'd fit the way you interpreted my post, and now, you're still claiming I implied they're top tiers just because I think weaker characters aren't a threat to them, even though I precisely said they're between YC1 and Admiral level. It makes no sense. Just say you misread my post.
I have never dodged a bet in my life, in the end it's a win or an L.
I didn't leave the forum and kept posting even in the worst time of Zoro fandom after Wano ended and ZKK didn't happen where all fandoms were on our asses even the best Zoro fans here left for good after that theory failed yet i stayed here strongly.
I didn't leave the forum and kept posting even in the worst time of Zoro fandom after Wano ended and ZKK didn't happen where all fandoms were on our asses even the best Zoro fans here left for good after that theory failed yet i stayed here strongly.
I have never dodged a bet in my life, in the end it's a win or an L.
I didn't leave the forum and kept posting even in the worst time of Zoro fandom after Wano ended and ZKK didn't happen where all fandoms were on our asses even the best Zoro fans here left for good after that theory failed yet i stayed here strongly.
I didn't leave the forum and kept posting even in the worst time of Zoro fandom after Wano ended and ZKK didn't happen where all fandoms were on our asses even the best Zoro fans here left for good after that theory failed yet i stayed here strongly.
disgustingSaying they're between YC1 and Admiral level somehow implies they're top tiers? 
You keep mentioning the statement that you think implies they're top tiers - when it really doesn't - and repeatedly ignore the statement that makes it perfectly clear where I rank them.
And I don't know what "threat" means to you, but it means strong enough to beat them. There's no implication about Z and S's level compared to top tiers, the implication is about characters below that tier. So yeah, I know what that entails, and it's not what you think it does.
It's strange that you could misunderstand, not only because I've been very specific about where I put them, but also because you mentioned a bunch of characters that you think are between high and top tiers themselves. So, according to your logic, you were implying all those characters are top tiers.
Looks to me like you're just going out of your way just to avoid admitting you made a mistake, even straight up denying the meaning of what I said, fabricating implications and shifting the blame on me. Not very mature.
You keep mentioning the statement that you think implies they're top tiers - when it really doesn't - and repeatedly ignore the statement that makes it perfectly clear where I rank them.
And I don't know what "threat" means to you, but it means strong enough to beat them. There's no implication about Z and S's level compared to top tiers, the implication is about characters below that tier. So yeah, I know what that entails, and it's not what you think it does.
It's strange that you could misunderstand, not only because I've been very specific about where I put them, but also because you mentioned a bunch of characters that you think are between high and top tiers themselves. So, according to your logic, you were implying all those characters are top tiers.
Looks to me like you're just going out of your way just to avoid admitting you made a mistake, even straight up denying the meaning of what I said, fabricating implications and shifting the blame on me. Not very mature.