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Israeli media is saying the ceasefire was reached between the USA and Iran without Israeli consultation. Bibi is trying to save face here.
And like I said, Bibi talked with Trump overnight regarding the Lebanon exclusion before the announcement, so thats probably why Iran and Pakistan were caught off-guard on it.
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/lebanon-attacks-israel-iran-ceasfire
And like I said, Bibi talked with Trump overnight regarding the Lebanon exclusion before the announcement, so thats probably why Iran and Pakistan were caught off-guard on it.
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/08/lebanon-attacks-israel-iran-ceasfire
To me its opposite, Pakistan highlighted Lebanon specifically as part of the ceasefire. Trump backtracking because he didn't consult Israel seems more likely to me.
I don't see how a simple miscommunication can lead to this, especially now that Hormuz was closed again and the White House is demanding it reopened.
I don't see how a simple miscommunication can lead to this, especially now that Hormuz was closed again and the White House is demanding it reopened.
Said it before and I’ll say it again - the guy who ran casinos into the ground and failed at selling steaks to the meat-and-potatoes crowd is NOT the guy you want making economic policy by the seat of his shit-stained pants (unless you’re also one of the dumbest people to ever live like he is)
That's not how it works.
Such announcement was discussed with Israel.
As I said earlier, if I was in US - Israel shoes, I won't stop attacks on Hezbollah because that would give them Hormuz leverage which currently Iran has.
Only reason US seeks ceasefire with Iran is because of Hormuz - not because US is losing war or Iran is pushing US back but the US has been under pressure economically and geo politically because of Hormuz.
And, US - Israel simply don't want to extend that leverage to Hezbollah.
Regardless of how much Trump whines, US can't work in isolation anymore as global economy is highly interlinked.
Stress in other major economies would affect US as well. Take Hormuz out and US wouldn't have stopped bombing or wouldn't have considered negotiations via third party.
They simply don't want Hezbollah to have same leverage unless Israel gets something in return during negotiations against Hezbollah
Such announcement was discussed with Israel.
As I said earlier, if I was in US - Israel shoes, I won't stop attacks on Hezbollah because that would give them Hormuz leverage which currently Iran has.
Only reason US seeks ceasefire with Iran is because of Hormuz - not because US is losing war or Iran is pushing US back but the US has been under pressure economically and geo politically because of Hormuz.
And, US - Israel simply don't want to extend that leverage to Hezbollah.
Regardless of how much Trump whines, US can't work in isolation anymore as global economy is highly interlinked.
Stress in other major economies would affect US as well. Take Hormuz out and US wouldn't have stopped bombing or wouldn't have considered negotiations via third party.
They simply don't want Hezbollah to have same leverage unless Israel gets something in return during negotiations against Hezbollah
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Because they are worst affected by this tension.
Proximity with Iran means if ground troops get mobilised against Iran, then Israel would have presence via US in Iran.
Second, Further escalation risks Saudi Arabia going on offense and then Pakistan has to side with Saudi against Iran. This would strain relationship with Iran. And, if they don't act along Saudi, then it would strain relationship with Gulf especially with Saudi due to their defense agreement.
Third, there's massive fuel prices spike there. Within first week of war, prices were raised. During fourth week, prices were raised again. When fuel gets so expensive, then every single damn thing gets expensive as transportation costs increase. All these costs are pass down to consumers and it leads to inflation, less demand,. decline in production, lack of jobs and increase in unemployment and thus recession.
Pakistan simply can't afford for war to go on or escalate any further. It's better to do something about this and try to mediate than simply sit on fence and feel the heat of it
Proximity with Iran means if ground troops get mobilised against Iran, then Israel would have presence via US in Iran.
Second, Further escalation risks Saudi Arabia going on offense and then Pakistan has to side with Saudi against Iran. This would strain relationship with Iran. And, if they don't act along Saudi, then it would strain relationship with Gulf especially with Saudi due to their defense agreement.
Third, there's massive fuel prices spike there. Within first week of war, prices were raised. During fourth week, prices were raised again. When fuel gets so expensive, then every single damn thing gets expensive as transportation costs increase. All these costs are pass down to consumers and it leads to inflation, less demand,. decline in production, lack of jobs and increase in unemployment and thus recession.
Pakistan simply can't afford for war to go on or escalate any further. It's better to do something about this and try to mediate than simply sit on fence and feel the heat of it
Not really
Turkey doesn't have military defense agreement with Saudi like Pakistan has. This agreement bounds both Saudi and Pakistan to act as an ally if one of these nation goes into war.
Second, Turkey didn't see spike in fuel prices as much as Pakistan did. The economic state of Turkey is much bigger and stable in comparison to Pakistan.
Turkey is linked with NATO as well.
Then factor in the location of Hormuz - Pakistan is in close proximity
And, Pakistan hasn't been seen as trustworthy mediator. Israel officials have raised concerns.
But Pakistan offers a neutral position as recently their PM was glazing Trump to an extent of advocating Nobel prize for Trump of all people and also backed by China which is handy when it comes to Iran..
Turkey doesn't have military defense agreement with Saudi like Pakistan has. This agreement bounds both Saudi and Pakistan to act as an ally if one of these nation goes into war.
Second, Turkey didn't see spike in fuel prices as much as Pakistan did. The economic state of Turkey is much bigger and stable in comparison to Pakistan.
Turkey is linked with NATO as well.
Then factor in the location of Hormuz - Pakistan is in close proximity
And, Pakistan hasn't been seen as trustworthy mediator. Israel officials have raised concerns.
But Pakistan offers a neutral position as recently their PM was glazing Trump to an extent of advocating Nobel prize for Trump of all people and also backed by China which is handy when it comes to Iran..
The discussion between America and Israel came shortly before the ceasefire was announced. Negotiations were finished by then, and USA agreed without consulting Israel. Pakistan, which is the MEDIATOR, aka the most neutral party here, made it clear Lebanon was part of the ceasefire.
The USA backtracking because of Israel despite agreeing to include Lebanon at first is not a surprise at all. You noticed how Iraqi factions are included but somehow Lebanon was not? Israel has its own goals in Lebanon, which is to annex the southern part of the country.
Its not that hard to understand.
The USA backtracking because of Israel despite agreeing to include Lebanon at first is not a surprise at all. You noticed how Iraqi factions are included but somehow Lebanon was not? Israel has its own goals in Lebanon, which is to annex the southern part of the country.
Its not that hard to understand.
It's hard to understand your backtracking argument because discussion of Pakistan trying to mediate was going on for weeks now.
I posted this on March 24th. This was from Pakistan but it didn't happen
Discussions were going on for weeks now and Israel was part of it.
It was officially accepted by Iran, US and Israel recently.
So, it's likely that there was miscommunication because no way Bibi was kept out of it when such arrangements were going on for weeks now
I posted this on March 24th. This was from Pakistan but it didn't happen
Discussions were going on for weeks now and Israel was part of it.
It was officially accepted by Iran, US and Israel recently.
So, it's likely that there was miscommunication because no way Bibi was kept out of it when such arrangements were going on for weeks now
After Vance offed Francis, this makes sense.
I love how the Violent Left is supposed to be the threat to these religious people, when these Right-in-name-only Nazi-wannabe creeps are bombing semitic kids daily, when they're not threatening the pope.
No the left has the exact opposite problem. The left is way too tolerant of shitty religions that treat children like slaves.
That's why the democrats have always been complete pieces of shit.
You can't tell me you hate the republican's child raping and murdering bullshit, when you're taking all this money from the israelis who are ten times worse.
Bernie has proven the democratic party has wildly profited off of murdering the poorest children on the planet. No, I don't trust a bunch of lying pieces of shit Democrats who've made all this money murdering the poorest children on the planet, to suddenly hate the fact that their Republican colleagues are child rapists, when their colleagues have always been pretty fucking open about it.
Anyone who thinks the democrats are going to take care of the republican terrorists when they've been sucking up to and getting blackmailed by israeli terrorists who are even more racist and genocidal for decades, is on the walter white pack.
I love how the Violent Left is supposed to be the threat to these religious people, when these Right-in-name-only Nazi-wannabe creeps are bombing semitic kids daily, when they're not threatening the pope.
No the left has the exact opposite problem. The left is way too tolerant of shitty religions that treat children like slaves.
That's why the democrats have always been complete pieces of shit.
You can't tell me you hate the republican's child raping and murdering bullshit, when you're taking all this money from the israelis who are ten times worse.
Bernie has proven the democratic party has wildly profited off of murdering the poorest children on the planet. No, I don't trust a bunch of lying pieces of shit Democrats who've made all this money murdering the poorest children on the planet, to suddenly hate the fact that their Republican colleagues are child rapists, when their colleagues have always been pretty fucking open about it.
Anyone who thinks the democrats are going to take care of the republican terrorists when they've been sucking up to and getting blackmailed by israeli terrorists who are even more racist and genocidal for decades, is on the walter white pack.
Trump is transactional. He is so transactional that he seems to believe each transaction is independent of one another.
This is why he is confused as to why threatening to destroy the Iranian civilization in one "transaction" (achieving a cease fire) can affect their feelings for him in negotiating beyond the cease fire. To him, that's a new "transaction" and shouldn't have anything to do with the previous one.
Same thing with him telling his allies to fuck off and then a week letting yelling at them to help him. Separate transactions to him.