What will be Oda vengeance if Sanji wins the world popularity poll ?


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Fans would extrapolate meaning from which Ogre appeared stronger in their respective fight and which Wing looked better and/or had an easier win, and so on.

Keeping them separate allows Oda to preserve both rivalries.
But isn't that the same dynamic with Jabra/Kaku, Queen/King, Mr.1/Mr.2? Fans would analyze everything anyway, I don't see the problem. But whatever, we know we will not get Dori and Brogi against Sanji and Zoro. It was just a beautiful dream, at least for me.
 
It’s not cope it’s standards :handsup:
It’s one ting for folks like @Jackteo who actually likes Super Sommers to be pushing a wings v holy knights matchup can respect that but can’t take @Welkin serious on this debate. Mans is actually saying certain Zoro & Sanji fans are in over their heads for not lapping up Super Sommers & Bellingham. Deep that shit my guy!!! 😂

Imu’s second string that have been getting slapped up left right center since they got to Elbaf but sure slap Omen on that shit and they as good as new 🤣

There was mofos actually gassing up these bums till Kiringham got neg diff’d by Sanji and co. This mans was getting dissed by Franky ya know! And was begging Sanji to remember his name 😂

but oh no! I’m a bit too gweedy to not be content with these bums:doakes_suss:
I mean I also like Super Sommers! Anyway, I’m saying you’re in over your heads because you’re overestimating how much anyone outside of Loki and Luffy will be feasting this arc

Zoro and Sanji aren’t key players the way you think they are. They’re set to take care of the strongest underlings that Imu currently has available (Super Sommers, Killingham, or Gunko) and that’s where their role primarily ends

That’s usually how it goes. They may get a shot at the main antagonist but it’s unlikely that they’ll be involved in the finale of it (see: Zoro fans thinking he’d help Luffy finish off Kaido)

I didn’t say you have to like it but that’s how it’s been set up
 
But isn't that the same dynamic with Jabra/Kaku, Queen/King, Mr.1/Mr.2? Fans would analyze everything anyway, I don't see the problem. But whatever, we know we will not get Dori and Brogi against Sanji and Zoro. It was just a beautiful dream, at least for me.
The difference just comes down to how much Oda cares about the rivalry in question. The more he cares about preserving the equilibrium, the more vague he'll be.

And I don't think it's matter of him caring more about the characters involved, e.g. he won't tell you which Ogre is stronger, but he'll let you know Roger scarred Whitebeard.

Ogres VS Wings could've been incredible, but I never once expected it.
 
Except battlefield removal in this case means nothing. Robin did that to deactivate his ability

That’s not a valid option in a straight fight especially since we’ve seen that Super Sommers can Superman jump into the air

Sanji before his powerup was at least able to fight Queen. None of the Strawhats have showcased the ability to do anything to a Holy Knight in single combat

The Wano powerups didn’t have them go from getting stomped to winning. They were able to at least keep up with their opponents but they were on the backfoot and then with a powerup they won

Gunko took on some of the strongest strawhats at the same time and won handily. What powerup would change that against an even STRONGER Gunko (assuming she also received an Omen)
You keep mentioning Gunko who had far better portrayal and showing than Killingham and Super Sommers, when it's those 2 who are being discussed.

Franky's news super punch would have put down Killingham the same as Sanji did. Same with Jimbes attack. It would've been a low dif at best.
Why would we assume an omen buff would put him above Franky or Jimbe?
 
You keep mentioning Gunko who had far better portrayal and showing than Killingham and Super Sommers, when it's those 2 who are being discussed.
Gunko’s portrayal isn’t any different than Super Sommers or Killingham’s, that’s just headcanon. If anything Super Sommers is the one with the best portrayal among them

Medals of honor, former rivals with Garling, veteran Holy Knight

Franky's news super punch would have put down Killingham the same as Sanji did. Same with Jimbes attack. It would've been a low dif at best.
Why would we assume an omen buff would put him above Franky or Jimbe?
All headcanon. For one, you’re assuming Franky or Jinbei could even land an attack against Killingham

Sanji’s high speed allowed him to blitz above him and take him by surprise. Jinbei and Franky are tiers below Sanji speed wise

Not to mention Killingham can also fly which is an ability that neither Franky nor Jinbei have access to. How do they counter that while he can also attack from range with his MMA’s?
 
Sanji before his powerup was at least able to fight Queen. None of the Strawhats have showcased the ability to do anything to a Holy Knight in single combat

The Wano powerups didn’t have them go from getting stomped to winning. They were able to at least keep up with their opponents but they were on the backfoot and then with a powerup they won
Queen literally couldn't touch Sanji in their 1v1 until Germa got in the way. Sanji got a massive power creep between WCI and 1015.

What's funny is Zoro's power up was meaningless as it wasn't even why King lost.
 
Queen literally couldn't touch Sanji in their 1v1 until Germa got in the way. Sanji got a massive power creep between WCI and 1015.
This is what kinda surprises me when people bring up the Queen fight. Sanji could actually fight Queen 1v1

Hell, he hit a point where he could hold off King and Queen in a 2v1. Post PU he was able to actually finish off Queen and was firmly above him

He grew in power, sure, but the jump isn’t nearly as insane as what some people here are suggesting

From fodder to the Holy Knights in single combat to defeating amped versions of them with a single powerup. It just doesn’t add up

What's funny is Zoro's power up was meaningless as it wasn't even why King lost.
King lost cause he’s an NPC. Yes, lemme get rid of my key advantage (flight against someone without widespread ranged attacks) and fight this swordsman in CQC range
 
Except battlefield removal in this case means nothing. Robin did that to deactivate his ability

That’s not a valid option in a straight fight especially since we’ve seen that Super Sommers can Superman jump into the air

Sanji before his powerup was at least able to fight Queen. None of the Strawhats have showcased the ability to do anything to a Holy Knight in single combat

The Wano powerups didn’t have them go from getting stomped to winning. They were able to at least keep up with their opponents but they were on the backfoot and then with a powerup they won

Gunko took on some of the strongest strawhats at the same time and won handily. What powerup would change that against an even STRONGER Gunko (assuming she also received an Omen)
I disagree on king and queen. King was rag dolling Zoro and the only reason Sanji looked like he could fight Queen was because queen was trying to get Sanji to use his raid suit

And we’re not talking about Gunko who was paired with shamrock and has special portrayal. We’re talking about Super Sommers and Killingham who don’t have any good portrayal.

And again there’s never been an arc where Luffy fought the leader of the enemy team where Zoro and Sanji fought subordinates of subordinates
 
I disagree on king and queen. King was rag dolling Zoro and the only reason Sanji looked like he could fight Queen was because queen was trying to get Sanji to use his raid suit
Zoro fought King for multiple chapters offscreen and King couldn’t finish him off. King was clearly above him but the gap wasn’t so large that it couldn’t be considered a fight

Sanji also was having a legitimate fight with Queen the only thing he held back were the copied Germa enhancements but neither Zoro nor Sanji went all out from the beginning so it evens out

And we’re not talking about Gunko who was paired with shamrock and has special portrayal. We’re talking about Super Sommers and Killingham who don’t have any good portrayal.
Gunko having special portrayal is a myth. She shares the same rank as Super Sommers and Killingham and has 0 power over them

The only difference between them is her special relationship with Imu and there’s nothing that points to that granting her any special abilities


And again there’s never been an arc where Luffy fought the leader of the enemy team where Zoro and Sanji fought subordinates of subordinates
Zoro spent half of Egghead fighting Luffy’s sloppy seconds Lucci instead of Kizaru when Luffy engaged the Gorosei

Sanji didn’t even get a fight
 
Gunko’s portrayal isn’t any different than Super Sommers or Killingham’s, that’s just headcanon. If anything Super Sommers is the one with the best portrayal among them

Medals of honor, former rivals with Garling, veteran Holy Knight



All headcanon. For one, you’re assuming Franky or Jinbei could even land an attack against Killingham

Sanji’s high speed allowed him to blitz above him and take him by surprise. Jinbei and Franky are tiers below Sanji speed wise

Not to mention Killingham can also fly which is an ability that neither Franky nor Jinbei have access to. How do they counter that while he can also attack from range with his MMA’s?
Gunko performed well vs 5 strawhats. Super Sommers struggled with just Robin's clone. Robin didn't even use her demon form.

Franky chose to punch the Dream monster. Could have flew slightly to the left and punch Killingham instead. Killingham hasn't displayed any decent speed or reaction feat to suggest he could dodge it.
 
Zoro fought King for multiple chapters offscreen and King couldn’t finish him off. King was clearly above him but the gap wasn’t so large that it couldn’t be considered a fight

Sanji also was having a legitimate fight with Queen the only thing he held back were the copied Germa enhancements but neither Zoro nor Sanji went all out from the beginning so it evens out



Gunko having special portrayal is a myth. She shares the same rank as Super Sommers and Killingham and has 0 power over them

The only difference between them is her special relationship with Imu and there’s nothing that points to that granting her any special abilities




Zoro spent half of Egghead fighting Luffy’s sloppy seconds Lucci instead of Kizaru when Luffy engaged the Gorosei

Sanji didn’t even get a fight
Gunko does have special portrayal? She’s literally the only ageless HK. Which means her pact is more akin to the gorosei
 
Gunko performed well vs 5 strawhats. Super Sommers struggled with just Robin's clone. Robin didn't even use her demon form.

Franky chose to punch the Dream monster. Could have flew slightly to the left and punch Killingham instead. Killingham hasn't displayed any decent speed or reaction feat to suggest he could dodge it.
Super Sommers didn’t struggle with Robin’s clone, I don’t know why people keep saying this

It’s like saying Big Mom struggled with Robin and Jinbei since they were able to roll her away in Onigashima

If that’s how you wanna define struggling then sure

As for Franky that’s also headcanon because Killingham’s only reaction speed anti feat is not being able to react to Sanji, which is a pretty high bar
 
Super Sommers didn’t struggle with Robin’s clone, I don’t know why people keep saying this

It’s like saying Big Mom struggled with Robin and Jinbei since they were able to roll her away in Onigashima

If that’s how you wanna define struggling then sure

As for Franky that’s also headcanon because Killingham’s only reaction speed anti feat is not being able to react to Sanji, which is a pretty high bar
Robin was also more focused on freeing the strawhats and kids than fighting.
Also, we know she didn't go all out. No Fishman karate nor demon form used.

And Sanji landed his slowest attack on Killingham, after Killingham noticed him.
Franky's news speed burst was also pretty fast, he traveled 100+ meters in 1 panel.
 
Robin was also more focused on freeing the strawhats and kids than fighting.
Also, we know she didn't go all out. No Fishman karate nor demon form used.
It wouldn’t have mattered if she went all out or not.. she did nothing to Super Sommers who barely cared about her

Reread chapter 1148. She started attacking Super Sommers and he just keeps talking to the people of Elbaf through the transponder snail as if nothing is happening

Even when she pushes him off he attaches a thorn rope to the branch and, again, continues to talk as if nothing happened

You can’t use that to scale Super Sommers down

And Sanji landed his slowest attack on Killingham, after Killingham noticed him.
Franky's news speed burst was also pretty fast, he traveled 100+ meters in 1 panel.
Sanji’s slowest attack is still incredibly fast. Very few characters in the OP verse can react to him period

1 panel isn’t an indication of a passage of time is the thing
 
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