General & Others It's Okay to Drop the Series

[Owl Ki]

What I said had nothing to do with tolerance or intolerance. If inclusivity is the way you describe it, then I don't believe in it and even think it's a dangerous thing.

No bro, you don't get it. He redefines what intolerance means so that he can campaign to get your opinion that he can't tolerate to see, banned altogether in the name of tolerance.

His intolerance of your "intolerance" is clean, diverse, inclusive and based. Your intolerance be lame, mean and stinky.

 

[Uncle Van]

What I said had nothing to do with tolerance or intolerance. If inclusivity is the way you describe it, then I don't believe in it and even think it's a dangerous thing.

He thinks this site isn't inclusive to the "real" OP fans cause of negativity, so we must help spread positivity by only allowing positive post, and quell negativity but not allowing negative posts. Expressing any grievance, dislike, or disappointment is also called negative.

So basically the solution is to exclude anyone with the slightest negative thought towards the show, creating an echo chamber with the exsct same problem but for the opposite reason. Dozens of subreddits have tried this and it only lead to the creation of mini subreddits so that people can speak freely, and they always get very popular.

 

[comrade]

He thinks this site isn't inclusive to the "real" OP fans cause of negativity, so we must help spread positivity by only allowing positive post, and quell negativity but not allowing negative posts. Expressing any grievance, dislike, or disappointment is also called negative.

So basically the solution is to exclude anyone with the slightest negative thought towards the show, creating an echo chamber with the exsct same problem but for the opposite reason. Dozens of subreddits have tried this and it only lead to the creation of mini subreddits so that people can speak freely, and they always get very popular.

That guy needs an ass whooping.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

The funniest thing to me is the fact that it's usually the people that want the 'positivity' or are enamored with One Piece, etc, that are the ones that get personal and emotional and insult/etc others when they disagree with One Piece being the best thing ever.


Like try saying One Piece is ass and they'll gang up on you. Whilst, I've rarely seen someone get all up in your space if you think One Piece is great, GOAT, etc. They might have a laugh and move on. Or have a conversation with you to express their disagreement about it objectively being this and that.


And yeah, you can drop the series, like I have, but you don't have to. You can not like something and still follow it. You can like something and think it's trash. I like The Seven Deadly Sins, or shitty sitcoms or movies, but you won't catch me tryna gas them up as the best or even as great or good manga/movies/shows. Not everything you like has to be the best, nor do I need to be in love with something to see it through. Especially something that takes 5 minutes a week to do lol.

 

[Owl Ki]

I see an addiction to a social ritual and not the true enjoyment of a story.

I'm done hanging around guys who hate the story and pretend they're not making it a miserable experience for others.

See you in another 5 hours Olive Shark, just like the last time you said you were going to leave for a bit.

I am going to leave for a bit.
- I apologize for using such harmful labels as internet addict, obsessive, etc.
- I will not be participating in this thread anymore.

 

[Logiko]

What I said had nothing to do with tolerance or intolerance. If inclusivity is the way you describe it, then I don't believe in it and even think it's a dangerous thing.

Why am I not surprised ?

It is extremely subjective and people can feel however they want. It is perfectly fine to lose enjoyment with the series, but there's obviously some enjoyment left if people still read and talk about it.

Exactly, that's my issue. There is enjoyement left since people are obviousely staying. Which means that this hatred, is mainly performative. It's a way to connect with others and I get that, problem, this negativity impacts other people too.

People need to drop the belief that our tastes are somehow independant from any contextual situations. We live in a world where our appreciation of something is NOT disconnected from everything else. Taste is a social construction too. How I appreciate something is also connected to the way I see others appreciate it. So if you evolve in a system where negativity is the norm, there are no chances that you stay positive.

Even when we love something, seeing hatred H24 in spaces where we think people should be able to exchanges positively about any sorts of things... is mecanically impacting how we will consume said stuff.

THis is what i'm trying to convey more than anything : Our taste, the way we consume and the people we interact with, all these things are connected. Hatred is a social construction too.

So basically the solution is to exclude anyone with the slightest negative thought towards the show, creating an echo chamber with the exsct same problem but for the opposite reason. Dozens of subreddits have tried this and it only lead to the creation of mini subredditd so that people can speak freely, and they always get very popular.

No. We do not create inclusion by excluding people. We create inclusion by allowing positivity to grow.

Like I said, hatred is connected to everything else. People are not hating in a bubble on reddit, they are hating the strong moderation, not the actual positivity. What we need is not more moderation (aside from what I talked about), what we need is for people to be insentivized to post positivity.

This means that negativity must still have a place BUT, said place must not overpower the rest. The point is not to stop negativity, it's to divert its stream.

Reddits is not a materialist, they don't understand how to create a positive system. I do, or at least, I have better solutions. Implement what I proposed and you will see a shift.

 

[Logiko]

Really what needs to happen is not that difficult:
- Better moderation of oppressive behaviors (bigotry/racism/sexism/Transphobia etc.)
- Compartmentalization of the posivity AND the negativity > In other word you keep the critics on one side and the rest on the other.
- Insentive for positive behavior, replies and thread

It's not rocket science.

 

[Owl Ki]

Really what needs to happen is not that difficult:
- Better moderation of oppressive behaviors (bigotry/racism/sexism/Transphobia etc.)
- Compartmentalization of the posivity AND the negativity > In other word you keep the critics on one side and the rest on the other.
- Insentive for positive behavior, replies and thread

It's not rocket science.

"What this forum created by people that were unfairly persecuted by Oro Jackson moderation needs is Oro Jackson moderation."

Yeah, been there, experienced that, we'll pass.

 

[Logiko]

"What this forum created by people that were unfairly persecuted by Oro Jackson moderation needs is Oro Jackson moderation."

Yeah, been there, experienced that, we'll pass.

What I propose is not "unfair" it's the ethical way to organize a community space where people from both sides are saying "don't". It's not difficult, it's the understanding that negativity AND positivy are the result of system and not moderations.

Again, you need a systemic understanding to get that. In other words, noone should be banned from posting negativity and noone should be attacked for posting positivity, everyone should be able to do both but those behaviors are not compatible. Enters the modularity of the forum with one side for the critics and another for the rest.

And obviousely, since we are in a COMMUNITY and a FANbase, positivty should be prioritized in the organization. If you consider that this is not normal, you do not want a place to share about your passion, but a place to hate about stuff. And this is not an acceptable model.

 

[Owl Ki]

What I propose is not "unfair" it's the ethical way to organize a community space where people from both sides are saying "don't". It's not difficult, it's the understanding that negativity AND positivy are the result of system and not moderations.

Again, you need a systemic understanding to get that. In other words, noone should be banned from posting negativity and noone should be attacked for posting positivity, everyone should be able to do both but those behaviors are not compatible. Enters the modularity of the forum with one side for the critics and another for the rest.

And obviousely, since we are in a COMMUNITY and a FANbase, positivty should be prioritized in the organization. If you consider that this is not normal, you do not want a place to share about your passion, but a place to hate about stuff. And this is not an acceptable model.

"Nobody is getting banned, we're just putting you in a corner.". That's how OJ phrased it too. Then we got banned. We've been there, done that and don't want it.

The thing your mind really fails to grasp is that this is a forum for the Worst Gen club that was booted off of OJ. They used every possible tool to make us fuck off, so we did. Then Bogard made this forum so people could have an OJ like forum experience without OJ's tyrannical moderation over power scaling debates and story criticism.

This isn't a One Piece community. It's a Worst Gen community. If you don't like that, make your own oh so perfect forum then. Lel.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Even if I think some of the hatred is forced, I do think that it is important to keep it real from time to time. For example, the dispelling of domi reversi was a weird cop-out that I didn’t like. I think plenty of users here are good at recognizing some of oda’s worst impulses and rightly call them out for what they are.

I don’t really have a problem with those people, even when they think One piece isn’t good anymore. I don’t think anybody should stop reading the story if they don’t want to. But I do struggle to understand the users that are incredibly active in the spoiler thread and waste hours upon hours with this shit. Wasting so much energy and time on something you claim to hate so much, means you’re somebody that finds enjoyment in immersing yourself in negativity and toxicity.

 

[Logiko]

"Nobody is getting banned, we're just putting you in a corner.". That's how OJ phrased it too. Then we got banned. We've been there, done that and don't want it.

That's a moral panic. You know full well this is not what I proposes. Stop the strawman and fallacies.

Yes. A compartimentalization is needed. Without it , hate becomes the norm under this system. This must change unless you like hate. Positivity needs room to grow. This doesn't mean necessarily that critics have to be hidden, but they need to be outside of the space where people want to share for the moment.

The thing your mind really fails to grasp is that this is a forum for the Worst Gen club that was booted off of OJ

I don't care who created this forum. Now people are coming for other reasons and you need to take that into account. This forum became a center of negativity and these behaviors also spread outward. It needs to stop if we want to be able to talke about One Piece for another 10 years without insulting each others.

If you don't take into consideration the fact that the One Piece fanbase is growing and with it new fan who search for positive sharing will search for community, you will only gatekeep this place.

This isn't a One Piece community. It's a Worst Gen community.

No. it's a One Piece community. Wether you like it or not.

 

[Owl Ki]

That's a moral panic. You know full well this is not what I proposes. Stop the strawman and fallacies.

Yes. A compartimentalization is needed. Without it , hate becomes the norm under this system. This must change unless you like hate. Positivity needs room to grow. This doesn't mean necessarily that critics have to be hidden, but they need to be outside of the space where people want to share for the moment.

What you are suggesting is exactly what we got on OJ and it led to the undesirable "critics" getting banned. Experience isn't fallacy.

We aren't getting put back into a box at your demand after now having our own space. The positivity at all costs crowd of Oro Jackson got Thriller Bark, we got Worst Gen. You want OJ moderation then go to Thriller Bark and enjoy your stay.

I don't care who created this forum. Now people are coming for other reasons and you need to take that into account. This forum became a center of negativity and these behaviors also spread outward. It needs to stop if we want to be able to talke about One Piece for another 10 years without insulting each others.

Well I very much care who created this forum and who this forum was created for because that is the reason and the purpose as to why this forum exists to begin with. Newcomers should play by the rules and culture already here, if they don't like them there are alternatives. Thriller Bark, Arlong Park, Twitter, Reddit. They, should, leave.

If you don't take into consideration the fact that the One Piece fanbase is growing and with it new fan who search for positive sharing will search for community, you will only gatekeep this place.

Good, let this place be gatekept. If it isn't then it stops being Worst Gen and becomes something else entirely.

No. it's a One Piece community. Wether you like it or not.

It's a WorstGen community no matter how much your parasitical arse wants to subvert the original intention of this place.

Make your own forum or leave for one that appeals to you, though I imagine the latter doesn't even exist.

 

[comrade]

Really what needs to happen is not that difficult:
- Better moderation of oppressive behaviors (bigotry/racism/sexism/Transphobia etc.)
- Compartmentalization of the posivity AND the negativity > In other word you keep the critics on one side and the rest on the other.
- Insentive for positive behavior, replies and thread

It's not rocket science.

 

[Logiko]

What you are suggesting is exactly what we got on OJ and it led to the undesirable "critics" getting banned. Experience isn't fallacy.

The context are completely different and no, I do not propose for negativity to be banned. So yes, it is a fallacy

We aren't getting put back into a box at your demand after now having our own space. The positivity at all costs crowd of Oro Jackson got Thriller Bark, we got Worst Gen. You want OJ moderation then go to Thriller Bark and enjoy your stay.

Fine. I don't care anymore. Do what you want. I will only reply to the critics. And if you don't want to deal with what I propose, you will eventually have to deal with people like me over time. Because trust me on that. Negativity is not a natural state it it appeals for balance.

I want ethics. You don't understand or even want that? Fine. We will see how it goes for this forum.

Well I very much care who created this forum and who this forum was created for because that is the reason and the purpose as to why this forum exists to begin with. Newcomers should play by the rules and culture already here, if they don't like them there are alternatives. Thriller Bark, Arlong Park, Twitter, Reddit. They, should, leave.

That's gatekeeping mate. And don't ever think that this community is independant from creating harm elsewhere.

Good, let this place be gatekept. If it isn't then it stops being Worst Gen and becomes something else entirely.

It's a WorstGen community no matter how much your parasitical arse wants to subvert the original intention of this place.

Make your own forum or leave for one that appeals to you, though I imagine the latter doesn't even exist.

The worstgeneration is not about cowards hiding under layers of negativity behind trolls. It's about pirates going all out against the world governement at one against 30000.

I wish this place could become a heaven for people to understand that, read and get angry together against capitalism or imperialism through sharing about One Piece. You are making the false assumption that inclusivity is synonymus of calm. Your vision is too narrow. What I want is not calm and not the end of conflict. But to make it a place where real rebels and revolutionnaries are birthed, a real Worstgen.

 

[Owl Ki]

The context are completely different and no, I do not propose for negativity to be banned. So yes, it is a fallacy

"I talk exactly like an OJ mod and I want exactly the same things as an OJ mod but I definitely wouldn't do what an OJ mod did, trust me bro."

No, I ain't trusting you and I ain't buying what you are selling. OJ mods said they didn't want negativity banned either and now look where we are. Lel.

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Fine. I don't care anymore. Do what you want. I will only reply to the critics. And if you don't want to deal with what I propose, you will eventually have to deal with people like me over time. Because trust me on that. Negativity is not a natural state it it appeals for balance.

I want ethics. You don't understand or even want that? Fine. We will see how it goes for this forum.

You're free to yap and the rest of us are free to disagree and outright reject your OJ inspired ideas, yes that is the deal. Welcome to WorstGen sassenach.

That's gatekeeping mate.

Good, as it should be.

And don't ever think that this community is independant from creating harm elsewhere.

Worst case scenario, that sounds like a them problem, not a problem for WorstGen. If these hypothetical sassenachs are that incapable of the existence of a forum doing its own thing on its own terms then said sassenachs are free to immolate themselves through the flames of their own loathing.

The worstgeneration is not about cowards hiding under layers of negativity behind trolls. It's about pirates going all out against the world governement at one against 30000.

I wish this place could become a heaven for people to understand that, read and get angry together against capitalism or imperialism through sharing about One Piece. You are making the false assumption that inclusivity is synonymus of calm. Your vision is too narrow. What I want is not calm and not the end of conflict. But to make it a place where real rebels and revolutionnaries are birthed, a real Worstgen.

Then make your own forum that fulfills your ridiculous desire instead of subverting the works of others that were made for a completely different purpose, you complete and utter parasite.

I am talking about the WorstGen club from OJ, not whatever retarded romanticised idea you have of a group of pirates that mostly consist of self serving villains and anti-heroes.

 

[Logiko]

"I talk exactly like an OJ mod and I want exactly the same things as an OJ mod but I definitely wouldn't do what an OJ mod did, trust me bro."

No, I ain't trusting you and I ain't buying what you are selling. OJ mods said they didn't want negativity banned either and now look where we are. Lel.

Quit your strawman mate. You are in moral panic mode.

No, I ain't trusting you and I ain't buying what you are selling. OJ mods said they didn't want negativity banned either and now look where we are. Lel.

Indeed. Look where we are. A forum that is dying on the flag of edgyness. Cool story bro

You're free to yap and the rest of us are free to disagree and outright reject your OJ inspired ideas, yes that is the deal. Welcome to WorstGen sassenach.

Indeed I'm free to yap :)

Good, as it should be.

Worst case scenario, that sounds like a them problem, not a problem for WorstGen. If these hypothetical sassenachs are that incapable of the existence of a forum doing its own thing on its own terms then said sassenachs are free to immolate themselves through the flames of their own loathing.

Sure pal

Then make your own forum that fulfills your ridiculous desire instead of subverting the works of others that were made for a completely different purpose, you complete and utter parasite.

"ridiculous" when all I ask is a little bit of responsibility. You are jokin.

And no, I won't create "another" that would defeat the purpose. The purpose is for people who come here to have a good place to stay. Not to create an alternative.

(And frankly I don't have time for that, I did enough to propose stuff already)

I am talking about the WorstGen club from OJ, not whatever retarded romanticised idea you have of a group of pirates that mostly consist of self serving villains and anti-heroes.

Right now your worstgen club is full of to scared to quit trolls, not pirates. People who can't rationnalize their love of goofyness and One Piece and have to be edgy in order to cope.

It's not "the worstgen club", it's a masculinist healthcare center.

 

[Owl Ki]

Quit your strawman mate. You are in moral panic mode.

"Don't trust your previous experience of snake oil salesmen, my snake oil is actually legitimate for realsies!".

We've dealt with your kind before back on OJ. We've had enough. That's why this place exists to begin with.

Indeed. Look where we are. A forum that is dying on the flag of edgyness. Cool story bro

All things naturally come to die. This forum will die as WorstGen, not as Logiko's Fiefdom of Enforced "Positivity".

Indeed I'm free to yap :)

As are the rest of us, regardless of your desire to create boxes to constrain opinions you dislike.

"ridiculous" when all I ask is a little bit of responsibility. You are jokin.

"I want a place that creates rebels and revolutionaries" is not a little responsibility bro. That is the quoted part I called ridiculous.

And no, I won't create "another" that would defeat the purpose. The purpose is for people who come here to have a good place to stay. Not to create an alternative.

The purpose of WorstGen is to cater to the community that is here already. Newcomers are free to assimilate or bog off to more preferable pastures.

Right now your worstgen club is full of to scared to quit trolls, not pirates. People who can't rationnalize their love of goofyness and One Piece and have to be edgy in order to cope.

It's not "the worstgen club", it's a masculinist healthcare center.

Again, I'm talking about the WorstGen club on OJ. That's got nothing to do with the actual Worst Gen pirates. It was a power scaling club where the OJ Mods told us to fuck off to. You know, putting folk they dislike in a corner before banning them.

No idea why you are waffling on about "not living up to the standards of pirates" as if Kidd isn't the poster boy for being an egotistically fragile prick that has a civilian murder fetish. Yeah, what a shame more people aren't like that guy. Lol.

 

[Logiko]

"Don't trust your previous experience of snake oil salesmen, my snake oil is actually legitimate for realsies!".

We've dealt with your kind before back on OJ. We've had enough. That's why this place exists to begin with.

Unlikely. You probably dealt with liberals, but probably not with materialist like me. People of that kind don't understand how systems work, they don't get how and why something should be created or kept in order to create a healthy place while maintaining a healthy freedom.

I'm not of that kind. What i'm proposing is something systematical that goes beyond simple moderation. In other word, something that you probably do not imagine possible : Transforming negativity into positivity without getting rid of its critical or even trolling essence.

All things naturally come to die. This forum will die as WorstGen, not as Logiko's Fiefdom of Enforced "Positivity".

It's not worstgen. it's fainting echo of the disappearing screams of wannabe edgelords.

As are the rest of us, regardless of your desire to create boxes to constrain opinions you dislike.

Box ? Look at this place, look at what you are saying. You are the one thinking inside the box.

"I want a place that creates rebels and revolutionaries" is not a little responsibility bro. That is the quoted part I called ridiculous.

You can't know if you don't try.

The purpose of WorstGen is to cater to the community that is here already. Newcomers are free to assimilate or bog off to more preferable pastures.

You are talking like a grandpa in front of foxnews bra

Again, I'm talking about the WorstGen club on OJ. That's got nothing to do with the actual Worst Gen pirates. It was a power scaling club where the OJ Mods told us to fuck off to. You know, putting folk they dislike in a corner before banning them.

They didn't like powerscaling?

No idea why you are waffling on about "not living up to the standards of pirates" as if Kidd isn't the poster boy for being an egotistically fragile prick that has a civilian murder fetish. Yeah, what a shame more people aren't like that guy. Lol.

This is a pirate:



Someone who is not afraid of change and people in charge.

 

[Welkin]

Even if I think some of the hatred is forced, I do think that it is important to keep it real from time to time. For example, the dispelling of domi reversi was a weird cop-out that I didn’t like. I think plenty of users here are good at recognizing some of oda’s worst impulses and rightly call them out for what they are.

I don’t really have a problem with those people, even when they think One piece isn’t good anymore. I don’t think anybody should stop reading the story if they don’t want to. But I do struggle to understand the users that are incredibly active in the spoiler thread and waste hours upon hours with this shit. Wasting so much energy and time on something you claim to hate so much, means you’re somebody that finds enjoyment in immersing yourself in negativity and toxicity.

This is pretty much my exact stance on it

If you wanna keep reading it even if you think it’s a steaming pile of garbage, more power to you

But some people that hate it dedicate large chunks of time on a weekly basis to shitting on it and it boggles my mind

A post or two, sure whatever. But the spoiler thread has people going on and on for hours about how terrible the story is now

And it’s like… why do you engage with it that much then? Reading a chapter a week and posting a bit about your thoughts takes a few minutes

Engaging in discussion while spewing nothing but hatred though? That’s hours. And a lot of them typically do it across multiple days (initial spoilers -> full summary -> raws -> full chapter release)

I’ll never understand it