General & Others Did roof piece help or hurt Zoro and expectations of him

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#82
They're physically and mentally separate as they're different characters. Physical: if Sanji gets CoC, then it will have come almost 200 chapters after Zoro was confirmed. Mental: Zoro hasn't even addressed Sanji by name yet lol, the respect is mutual but not equal

The Sanji and Zoro dynamic is built on them being very alike, but only in the ways where they're not cat and dog different.

But hey, Luffy "owns" people right. If you think Imu and Luffy are similar then I guess those nuances tend to escape you.
What are you waffling about bro? I don't need you to pull out sentences from OP wiki about who Zoro and Sanji are.

The point is comparing Zoro, a character with no agency of his own, to Vegeta is disrespectful, and that Zoro is far from a deuteragonist at this point of One Piece, you're living in 1999.

There was a time you could call Krillin a deuteragonist in Dragonball, that doesn't mean anything by the end of the series. We're in 2026 time to wake up.
 
#83
What are you waffling about bro? I don't need you to pull out sentences from OP wiki about who Zoro and Sanji are.

The point is comparing Zoro, a character with no agency of his own, to Vegeta is disrespectful, and that Zoro is far from a deuteragonist at this point of One Piece, you're living in 1999.

There was a time you could call Krillin a deuteragonist in Dragonball, that doesn't mean anything by the end of the series. We're in 2026 time to wake up.
The funny thing about wiki is that it's free to edit. Even if I went on there for some reason, I could just make it say whatever I like.

I would give you some credit for finding your way back home to your original assertion, but it's not actually on topic with the rooftop thread and if you go back to your base, you should probably learn how to defend it so that you don't drift again.

What elevated Vegeta in Z? How frequently was he upstaged by an ally other than Goku? Which Straw Hat makes it so that Zoro's combat ability is third?
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#85
The funny thing about wiki is that it's free to edit. Even if I went on there for some reason, I could just make it say whatever I like.

I would give you some credit for finding your way back home to your original assertion, but it's not actually on topic with the rooftop thread and if you go back to your base, you should probably learn how to defend it so that you don't drift again.

What elevated Vegeta in Z? How frequently was he upstaged by an ally other than Goku? Which Straw Hat makes it so that Zoro's combat ability is third?
Vegeta is absolutely distinguishable from any other Z fighter. I suggest you read dbz again or look up a synopsis of Vegeta. Saiyan saga, Frieza Saga, Cell Saga, Buu Saga. Go look at his resume and what he was doing in the plot.

If I wanted waffle responses like this I would just type to chatgpt man, atleast you're having fun wasting time.
 
#87
This dude is using TikTok takes as if it actually means something.
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I'm a grown man. No offense, but I don't have a tiktok.
Vegeta is absolutely distinguishable from any other Z fighter. I suggest you read dbz again or look up a synopsis of Vegeta. Saiyan saga, Frieza Saga, Cell Saga, Buu Saga. Go look at his resume and what he was doing in the plot.
Antagonist of Saiyan and Namek sagas. Defeated three times in the Cell arc and saved by Goku's second. Spared by Goku because of his pride, outclassed by Gotenks and Gohan in power.

If I wanted waffle responses like this I would just type to chatgpt man, atleast you're having fun wasting time.
Bursting your agenda is like watermelon in the summer
 
#88
But hey, Luffy "owns" people right. If you think Imu and Luffy are similar then I guess those nuances tend to escape you.
Don't be disingenous, no ones arguing that Luffy literally bought Zoro and has him controlled like a Gods Knight, but it's also a fact that Zoro is never going to get the focus Luffy gets in verse, or even close. Luffy doesn't really care about Zoro's dream(inb4 he said on chap 3 etc) while Zoro and the other Strawhats are constantly yapping about how they want to make Luffy the PK

Luffy is noticed by the Gorosei in chapter 200 or so, Oda established 15 chaps ago that the Gods Knights don't even know who Zoro is.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#89
I'm a grown man. No offense, but I don't have a tiktok.

Antagonist of Saiyan and Namek sagas. Defeated three times in the Cell arc and saved by Goku's second. Spared by Goku because of his pride, outclassed by Gotenks and Gohan in power.


Bursting your agenda is like watermelon in the summer
Also became an antagonist for a section of the Buu saga, literally having a rematch with Goku.

So that's what like 3 of 4 dbz sagas where he had an antagonistic role at some point? Zoro is just a green haired Sanji, you're not fooling anyone.
 
#92
The Straw Hats operate as an ensemble cast, with Zoro and Sanji generally standing out more than the rest mainly because they are powerhouses in a battle Shonen. The narrative and thematic focus shifts throughout arcs. Sometimes it is centered on a Straw Hat, a soon-to-be Straw Hat, or someone outside the main cast. However, there isn’t a single character who consistently occupies the role of deuteragonist, it falls to different characters in different arcs.
 
#93
no ones arguing that Luffy literally bought Zoro
Zoro is a lackey with nothing to offer the world of One Piece than simply being an extension of his owner Luffy.

The problem with trolling is that at some point you want your post to be taken seriously, but you've proven that you shouldn't be. There is no way to come back from this statement without admitting to being disingenuous.


Luffy is noticed by the Gorosei in chapter 200 or so, Oda established 15 chaps ago that the Gods Knights don't even know who Zoro is.
The Gorosei literally met Zoro and failed to land a hit on him last arc

Also became an antagonist for a section of the Buu saga, literally having a rematch with Goku.

So that's what like 3 of 4 dbz sagas where he had an antagonistic role at some point?
An antagonist who was only the main antagonist once, lol. He wasn't even the final boss during the Saiyan saga because they knew he was working for someone.

I wasn't reading DBZ prior to 1995 but it's impossible for anyone to have argued that he was the main antagonist on Namek or while Boo was pending. Again, Toriyama revealed that their fight wasn't even competitive but a placation from Goku.

As for Zoro being Sanji, let me know when Sanji drew blood from an emperor or unlocked CoC
 
#96
Domi Reversi only exists to shoehorn Imu into the GV plot while also keeping Xebec as the main fight of GV
True, but the way it was handled in the present time was just so......Sad? Like, what an actual nothingburger. If that and Killingbums Mma's were done in a more interesting way, Elbaf would be a decent read. Remove the Regen Bs and Omen too imo, pretty much all of that feels like filler.


The Gorosei literally met Zoro and failed to land a hit on him last arc
They met and failed to kill the entire Strawhat pirates bro, who cares? It's not narratively relevant. Oda just makes his villains comically incompetent. It's not narratively significant.

They have underlings, who don't even know who Zoro is.
 
#98
They met and failed to kill the entire Strawhat pirates bro, who cares? It's not narratively relevant. Oda just makes his villains comically incompetent. It's not narratively significant.
They're not comically incompetent, they're villains in a story where logic tilts toward the protagonist. For example, it was impossible for the dormant robot to not wake up and provide a Macguffin to expel them, no matter how unlikely it should be. "Knot of Haki" isn't a plot device that existed in the story before that exact need for it.

They have underlings, who don't even know who Zoro is.
You keep saying this as if it diminishes story. Ironically, this brings you closer to arguing that they're incompetent. Most agencies would acknowledge a billion beri hitter going into battle. The Beast Pirates, Red Hairs, Vegapunk, etc all knew. Ray and Shakki knew the members when they had a much smaller presence.

The elites in the One Piece world are extremely disdainful and condescending. They were correct in the belief that Zoro, back in Egghead, was not a factor in stopping them. But he was the guy they couldn't even hit. Luffy, Franky, and Sanji all got a taste from Saturn
 
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