General & Others Did roof piece help or hurt Zoro and expectations of him

[Fn Lucci]

Obviously what I’m talking about doesn’t apply to every Zoro fan on the planet

But the complaints from them have been ramping up since the Rooftop ended basically

We wouldn't be at 7 pages here if it wasn't for all the slander that came about from those in bad faith. I'm not imagining that every reader agrees with me either, but here we have plenty of people succinctly saying that the rooftop performance was good at the very least, and not airing grievances.

 

[Blazing Lion]

Obviously what I’m talking about doesn’t apply to every Zoro fan on the planet

But the complaints from them have been ramping up since the Rooftop ended basically

I will tell you the problem with what you are saying and why it doesn't make sense.
We knew pre TS what was Zoros max, Ashura. Post TS we were waiting for a fight to push Zoro to his limits. Until Wano everything was easy breezy. The biggest challenge was Fujitora exchange and instead of having a round 2 at end of DR we got nothing. Compared to Luffy who was getting pushed against Doffy, Cracker, Kata.
So the problem then was that Zoro was being limited by the level of opponents being thrown his way instead of his own lack of strength. We don't even know how strong Shusui Zoro would be because it got switched with Enma before Zoro was pushed to the limit. Finally at RT we had Zoro and the others against the same level of opponents.
So after Wano how can we be at fault when we have seen how high Zoro can be and then in EH we have Lucci who gets sent to ICU with one named move and then equally clashing with a Gorosei. This was more like Pica (Lucci) and Fuji (Venus) except this time the Fuji (Venus) exchange looks way more closer.
In Elbaf when has Zoro even been pushed until this point. And even here it is a very small exchange.
The truth is that Zoro haters have been starving for the smallest material to downplay him since Wano. It wasnt too long when the Lucci stall fest was being pushed as 6 months to troll or Zoro worrying about Luffy against Gaban slashes to BM being scared for Kaido against Zoro. They were so desperate that the biggest slander for some time was Zoro requiring assistance to jump high enough to cut a dino neck etc.
So this 'loss' is now being blown up as much as possible from the other side. People were reaching 400-500 posts in the spoiler thread around that IIRC.

 

[Welkin]

I will tell you the problem with what you are saying and why it doesn't make sense.
We knew pre TS what was Zoros max, Ashura. Post TS we were waiting for a fight to push Zoro to his limits. Until Wano everything was easy breezy. The biggest challenge was Fujitora exchange and instead of having a round 2 at end of DR we got nothing. Compared to Luffy who was getting pushed against Doffy, Cracker, Kata.
So the problem then was that Zoro was being limited by the level of opponents being thrown his way instead of his own lack of strength. We don't even know how strong Shusui Zoro would be because it got switched with Enma before Zoro was pushed to the limit. Finally at RT we had Zoro and the others against the same level of opponents.
So after Wano how can we be at fault when we have seen how high Zoro can be and then in EH we have Lucci who gets sent to ICU with one named move and then equally clashing with a Gorosei. This was more like Pica (Lucci) and Fuji (Venus) except this time the Fuji (Venus) exchange looks way more closer.
In Elbaf when has Zoro even been pushed until this point. And even here it is a very small exchange.
The truth is that Zoro haters have been starving for the smallest material to downplay him since Wano. It wasnt too long when the Lucci stall fest was being pushed as 6 months to troll or Zoro worrying about Luffy against Gaban slashes to BM being scared for Kaido against Zoro. They were so desperate that the biggest slander for some time was Zoro requiring assistance to jump high enough to cut a dino neck etc.
So this 'loss' is now being blown up as much as possible from the other side. People were reaching 400-500 posts in the spoiler thread around that IIRC.

I’m not saying I’m blaming the Zoro hive nor am I saying that it’s unfair for you to feel the way you do

I’m just saying that the Rooftop made the problem even worse. Everyone got a taste of what Zoro with some focus could look like and that just made the whole situation worse than it already was

Now whenever Zoro doesn’t live up to the hype he had on the roof everyone uses it against you. Zoro fans lose because they wanna see their boy show up and perform like he did back then, Zoro haters thrive because they can look back at the roof and claim that Zoro fell off

Which isn’t the case, every character besides Luffy has “downtime” in One Piece. They get an arc where they go crazy (from a narrative or powerscaling perspective) and then they’re put on the back burner for a bit

 

[Welkin]

We wouldn't be at 7 pages here if it wasn't for all the slander that came about from those in bad faith. I'm not imagining that every reader agrees with me either, but here we have plenty of people succinctly saying that the rooftop performance was good at the very least, and not airing grievances.

The rooftop itself wasn’t good for Zoro, it was great lol

That’s indisputable. I’m talking about the repercussions of giving Zoro something that great and not maintaining it throughout the rest of the series (which was always impossible)

The same way WCI is a great arc but it fucked up the community because now people think every Strawhat will receive an arc like WCI and when that isn’t the case (Wano for Zoro, Egghead for Franky, and potentially Elbaf for Usopp) they complain a lot

 

[HA001]

I’m not saying I’m blaming the Zoro hive nor am I saying that it’s unfair for you to feel the way you do

I’m just saying that the Rooftop made the problem even worse. Everyone got a taste of what Zoro with some focus could look like and that just made the whole situation worse than it already was

Now whenever Zoro doesn’t live up to the hype he had on the roof everyone uses it against you. Zoro fans lose because they wanna see their boy show up and perform like he did back then, Zoro haters thrive because they can look back at the roof and claim that Zoro fell off

Which isn’t the case, every character besides Luffy has “downtime” in One Piece. They get an arc where they go crazy (from a narrative or powerscaling perspective) and then they’re put on the back burner for a bit

But they right
Zoro doesnt go all out like luffy and sanji do.
Luffy and sanji have used g5 and ifrit jambe loads since egghead
Zoro hasnt used asura and needed imu for koh so far.
This is why we had people pre wano saying zoro doesnt even have asura anymore

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Zoro doesnt go all out like luffy and sanji do.

That is true and he needs to start doing so lol.

 

[Welkin]

But they right
Zoro doesnt go all out like luffy and sanji do.
Luffy and sanji have used g5 and ifrit jambe loads since egghead
Zoro hasnt used asura and needed imu for koh so far.
This is why we had people pre wano saying zoro doesnt even have asura anymore

In what context would he use Asura though? Especially since it’s his trademark finisher

He didn’t need it against Lucci, and there was no reason for him to use it from the beginning against Nusjuro

That’s not holding him back. Thats just logic, no?

 

[Mr. Anderson]

He didn’t need it against Lucci, and there was no reason for him to use it from the beginning against Nusjuro

Had he used it against Lucci, he wouldnt have gotten stalled for half that time while the rest of his crew were struggling to keep Vegapunk alive.

And he had EVERY reason to bust it out from the gate against a member of the Gorosei.

Oda just thinks the way he drew the events were cooler instances at the time.

 

[kekaro]

But they right
Zoro doesnt go all out like luffy and sanji do.
Luffy and sanji have used g5 and ifrit jambe loads since egghead
Zoro hasnt used asura and needed imu for koh so far.
This is why we had people pre wano saying zoro doesnt even have asura anymore

That's an oda thing tho and was already a thing pre-ts
He didn't use asura against oars, an opponent we know he was outclassed even 7vs1

Had he used it against Lucci, he wouldnt have gotten stalled for half that time while the rest of his crew were struggling to keep Vegapunk alive.

And he had EVERY reason to bust it out from the gate against a member of the Gorosei.

Oda just thinks the way he drew the events were cooler instances at the time.

Basically this

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It helped Zoro, it foreshadowed the fact that he's going to end up killing an unkillable monster, only 2 arcs later.

Black blade forged from Super Sommers black heart.

 

[kekaro]

Black blade forged from Super Super Sommers black heart.

Even i cant imagine oda hoeing zoro that much bro dafaq you saying

 

[kurwa]

Rooftop feats were always pretty whack since shitty bum scabbards also were fucking kaido up
so I was never impressed by what Zoro did, unless you had him lower than Kinemon (who was at best Brook lvl)

 

[Welkin]

Had he used it against Lucci, he wouldnt have gotten stalled for half that time while the rest of his crew were struggling to keep Vegapunk alive.

And he had EVERY reason to bust it out from the gate against a member of the Gorosei.

Oda just thinks the way he drew the events were cooler instances at the time.

Fair, but I don’t think there’s a single character in OP that whips out their strongest move to start out a fight

It just doesn’t happen (using story logic)

 

[Blazing Lionv2.5]

Then look at their reaction to his performance in Egghead. Again, more complaints, claiming that he’s being misused, saying that Kizaru would’ve been a better fit for his strength, etc

Zoro would decapitate kizaru lol.

 

[Rivaille]

Had he used it against Lucci, he wouldnt have gotten stalled for half that time while the rest of his crew were struggling to keep Vegapunk alive.

And he had EVERY reason to bust it out from the gate against a member of the Gorosei.

Oda just thinks the way he drew the events were cooler instances at the time.

And before Wano he could have used it against Fujitora.
But that’s not the weirdest part about Asura, the weirdest part is that we still don’t know what it is and how it works. And I do not get why Oda is doing this.

 

[HA001]

In what context would he use Asura though? Especially since it’s his trademark finisher

He didn’t need it against Lucci, and there was no reason for him to use it from the beginning against Nusjuro

That’s not holding him back. Thats just logic, no?

The point is its his maximum.
You comparing luffy and sanjis maximum to not zoros.

 

[UserSH223]

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