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[kekaro]

I understand that both of you view Killingham as a "mage" type. But having a Zoan should make him physically stronger too. We already saw how he manhandeld Kiba. And yes it is nothing extraordinary in OP world but it shows how he is still able to throw hands.

The omen power up comes into the equation as well, Oda showed up the ship feat with Super Super Sommers and technically Killingham should be able to do the same thing.

In short, I would not exclude that Killingham will fight in close quarter combat and do not rely totally on his MMA.

Im not saying he is a citizen level pysically, especially with Omen
But 90% of his power is clearly in his busted ass fruit (something so broken even temple scholars couldnt but hype it just to paint a tunnel they run into)

Something similar (and even way less severe given the class of fighter she is) would for example, defeating big mom without defeating or having her strongest Homie, Misery

Its feels kinda cap

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I understand that both of you view Killingham as a "mage" type. But having a Zoan should make him physically stronger too. We already saw how he manhandeld Kiba. And yes it is nothing extraordinary in OP world but it shows how he is still able to throw hands.

The omen power up comes into the equation as well, Oda showed up the ship feat with Super Super Sommers and technically Killingham should be able to do the same thing.

In short, I would not exclude that Killingham will fight in close quarter combat and do not rely totally on his MMA.

I hear you but Kiringham but even assuming he’s somewhat competent in CQC which I extremely doubt (kiba is a scrub 💀). His main ability is to make dreams/nightmares a reality. Unless he’s able to apply that ability on himself to boost his CQC abilities them defeating a dream manifesting human without defeating his dream would be extremely lame. Would be the equivalent of Zoro beating Bummmers in base without going against his thorns.

 

[Raiden7]

Im not saying he is a citizen level pysically, especially with Omen
But 90% of his power is clearly in his busted ass fruit (something so broken even temple scholars couldnt but hype it just to paint a tunnel they run into)

Something similar (and even way less severe given the class of fighter she is) would for example, defeating big mom without defeating or having her strongest Homie, Misery

Its feels kinda cap

I hear you but Kiringham but even assuming he’s somewhat competent in CQC which I extremely doubt (kiba is a scrub 💀). His main ability is to make dreams/nightmares a reality. Unless he’s able to apply that ability on himself to boost his CQC abilities them defeating a dream manifesting human without defeating his dream would be extremely lame. Would be the equivalent of Zoro beating Bummmers in base without going against his thorns.

Probably I explained myself wrong, I did not meant about a fight in which Killingham would not use his power. Of course he will use it, but I think there will be a moment where he will fight by himself before getting destroyed.

Of course I want to see which MMA he will summon, there are a lot of possibilites and Oda's creativity will be fundamental, which excites me even more.

 

[Hedfi]

We're a bout to have Black haired Evil Sanji, eithe as a nightmare demon or Sanji himself if he's forced to activate his Germa Cold Heart to stop ZaZa, a female, from kidnapping the children.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I hear you but Kiringham but even assuming he’s somewhat competent in CQC which I extremely doubt (kiba is a scrub 💀). His main ability is to make dreams/nightmares a reality. Unless he’s able to apply that ability on himself to boost his CQC abilities them defeating a dream manifesting human without defeating his dream would be extremely lame. Would be the equivalent of Zoro beating Super Super Sommers in base without going against his thorns.

I agree he’s likely not that capable close combat this is why I’m hoping his power will work on Sanji since it seems the strength to of the MMA is directly connected to how strong the nightmare is pulled on believe them to be it could be pretty interesting if Killingham does pull the Warrior of science Sanji rejected being out of Sanjis mind. As Sanji believes that version of himself could dismantle someone like Queen with ease.

And it would be at least interesting fanfare since just like Sanji swoops in at the last second to save the weak straw hats, evil Sanji would do the same to save Killingham from Sanji.

But this would just be my hope for this fight. It may legit just be Oda making it a pretty generic looking Sanji fighting waves and waves of lame muma

 

[kekaro]

Probably I explained myself wrong, I did not meant about a fight in which Killingham would not use his power. Of course he will use it, but I think there will be a moment where he will fight by himself before getting destroyed.

Of course I want to see which MMA he will summon, there are a lot of possibilites and Oda's creativity will be fundamental, which excites me even more.

My concern is more about fighting zaza which seems Killinghams strongest creation so far

 

[Juanpiz]

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I just see 4 goats

 

[kekaro]

4 Legends

 

[Raiden7]

My concern is more about fighting zaza which seems Killinghams strongest creation so far

"so far" you said well. There is always space for something more

 

[kekaro]

"so far" you said well. There is always space for something more

Didnt Killingham say what he fears the most is Zaza/this creations in the raws or did i misread?


Obviously, the thing killingham most fears must not be the most, but narratively it would make sense and wouldn't surprise me

 

[Raiden7]

Didnt Killingham say what he fears the most is Zaza/this creations in the raws or did i misread?


Obviously, the thing killingham most fears must not be the most, but narratively it would make sense and wouldn't surprise me

What about Imu's fear, or Loki or Luffy or Sanji. Possibilities are endless.

 

[RayanOO]

 

[kekaro]

What about Imu's fear, or Loki or Luffy or Sanji. Possibilities are endless.

Yeah i guess we will see

Im still kinda confused about his ability, those nightmare holes imply that he can just manifest anyone's nightmare on the island no? He didnt put anyone to sleep for that if I remember correctly
Hopefully, we get a more precise explanation soon

 

[Raiden7]

Yeah i guess we will see

Im still kinda confused about his ability, those nightmare holes imply that he can just manifest anyone's nightmare on the island no? He didnt put anyone to sleep for that if I remember correctly
Hopefully, we get a more precise explanation soon

Yes, Oda has a lot of room to integrate/add new abilities to his devil fruit. We have seen that the MMAs can exist even if the target is not sleeping anymore. Maybe there is also a way to extract MMA from people who are not even sleeping?

Also we have seen the form with only the face transformed. Is that a different hybrid form? Do Oda gave him a goofy form just for fun or there is more?

Will omen buff gives him a "devilish" form apart from devil's fruit standard forms?

 

[Juanpiz]

 

[Jackteo]

Kiringham is a mage type combatant he will get absolutely rinsed by Sanji in a 1 v 1.

I understand that looking at what he did on Elbaf it is difficult to imagine him as anything other than a summoner but he is a versatile combatant.

On top of his MMAs, he can fly, has great physical strength, is a trident and bow user, can make things appear out of thin air (like the bow) and it seems he is capable of putting people to sleep at will. Also it is not so farfetched to think he can turn himself into his opponent nightmare or something like that. Probably one of the most broken DF introduces in the entire series

No chance in hell that Sanji unlocks CoC fighting Kiringham

I think this is the wrong way to look at it. Sanji doesn't need someone who is just strong. Queen and Doflamingo were extremely strong, forced him into dire situations and yet he didn't unlock CoC.

(Ultra) Killingham on Elbaf is strong enough to push Sanji to his limit and, thanks to his DF, he can put him into a situation that is impossible to escape from. He is responsible for the lives of those children and who knows what else.

What if those MMAs are enhanced by the Omen and they start defeating the other strawhats? What if, after dealing with Super Sommers, Zoro is forced to fight MMAs too? Him being weak could put everyone in danger




(Btw, is it Kiringham, Killingham or Kilingham? We should have a poll and stick with the result )

 

[Paragorn]

I know we trash on Killingham but it's obviously Killingham will show more of his powers and abilities when he properly fights Sanji so say "Killingham already got trashed" or "Killingham doesn't have nothing to match Sanji" is premature

Zoro and Sanji's opponents never shows their full arsenal before fighting them properly

 

[Raiden7]

I know we trash on Killingham but it's obviously Killingham will show more of his powers and abilities when he properly fights Sanji so say "Killingham already got trashed" or "Killingham doesn't have nothing to match Sanji" is premature

Zoro and Sanji's opponents never shows their full arsenal before fighting them properly

I agree but I have mixed feelings too when I remember that Killingham and Super Sommers already got defeated once. That's why I understand who is not that much hyped about those fights because those enemies were already defeated before. From what I remember this never happened before right? So I can't really go against those who do not like Super Sommers and Ultra Killingham fights.

 

[RayanOO]