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[PuckTheGreat]

I don't see why Sanji would bother fighting Zaza when kicking Killingham's ass would likely make her disappear. It's another reason that would make a moral dilemma feel pointless and forced.

Still hoping Killingham can buff himself further with his awakening, maybe he could even literally become Stealth Black himself. Becoming the MMA instead of creating it.

So Zaza, Kiringham’s summon just stands there doing fck all whilst Sanji kicks his ass or she just walks of with the kids for Sanji to be able to fight Kiringham? Why bloody even introduce a summon as a the rain god and something beyond Kiringham’s control if said summon is going to be a secondary figure that just plays a background role & disappears after Kiringham gets defeated?

Also stealth black is not gonna happen 💀
If that was on the cards there would’ve been no reason for Zaza to have been introduced into the plot but I digress…

 

[Royal Kick]

So Zaza, Kiringham’s summon just stands there doing fck all whilst Sanji kicks his ass or she just walks of with the kids for Sanji to be able to fight Kiringham? Why bloody even introduce a summon as a the rain god and something beyond Kiringham’s control if said summon is going to be a secondary figure that just plays a background role & disappears after Kiringham gets defeated?

Also stealth black is not gonna happen 💀
If that was on the cards there would’ve been no reason for Zaza to have been introduced into the plot but I digress…

Why do you love to say you digress even when you actually don't?

I've no idea what Oda's plan is with Zaza, all I know is Sanji technically doesn't necessarily have to fight her to defeat her. And Jinbe, Nami and co might hold her off. It's not a binary choice where she's either useless or fights Sanji. We all know you just think Killingham sucks ass and don't want him anywhere near Sanji.

What do you envision regarding Killingham's awakening? Because I can't imagine Oda giving it to him if it's not gonna play a part.

 

[Doggo]

So Zaza, Kiringham’s summon just stands there doing fck all whilst Sanji kicks his ass or she just walks of with the kids for Sanji to be able to fight Kiringham? Why bloody even introduce a summon as a the rain god and something beyond Kiringham’s control if said summon is going to be a secondary figure that just plays a background role & disappears after Kiringham gets defeated?

Also stealth black is not gonna happen 💀
If that was on the cards there would’ve been no reason for Zaza to have been introduced into the plot but I digress…

Reminds me of Advent Children where Sephiroth summoned a Bahamuth just for the gang fight while Cloud fought Sephiroth solo.

 

[MegaSpider]

Why do you love to say you digress even when you actually don't?

I've no idea what Oda's plan is with Zaza, all I know is Sanji tecnically doesn't necessarily have to fight her to defeat her. And Jinbe, Nami and co might hold her off. It's not a binary choice where she's either useless or fights Sanji. We all know you just think Killingham sucks ass and don't want him anywhere near Sanji.

What do you envision regarding Killingham's awakening? Because I can't imagine Oda giving it to him if it's not gonna play a part.

Yes, Jimbe and Nami will hold off Zaza while they listen to Brooke's story many kms away on the opposite side of the island, as Zaza is currently kidnapping the kids right infront of Sanji and their dying mothers. That makes sense?

Nami's group is more likely to get their rematch vs Gunko, with Brooke eventually freeing Shuri.

Oda set up this dilemma for Sanji to overcome, especially with his chivalry, and that hidden conversation he and Gaban had earlier. Killingham is not the main obstacle for him, it's the Rain God. There is no situation where Killingham is the bigger threat.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Reminds me of Advent Children where Sephiroth summoned a Bahamuth just for the gang fight while Cloud fought Sephiroth solo.

If Kiringham was Imu, you would've have a point but he is not.
Kiringham is not causually summoning a monster that he himself is afraid of and is not sure he can control only to be a beast in CQC as well, it is not going to happen. Not to mention it will diminish Super Sommers as unlike Kiringham all he has is CQC.
Again Kiringham is a mage type so the core of his combat abilities are going to be based on that.

 

[Doggo]

Killingham isn't a "mage type".

He's still a zoan.

Zoans primarily thing is boosting your physical prowess. Mythicals get specials powers on top of that.

AND he's power boosted by Imu. Super Sommers was carrying a freaking giant's ship.

 

[Doggo]

The closest thing, in ONe Piece world, that we have to Killingham, is actually Cracker.

He uses his biscuit soldiers/armor, but he's still a powerful swordsman by himself.

 

[HA001]

The closest thing, in ONe Piece world, that we have to Killingham, is actually Cracker.

He uses his biscuit soldiers/armor, but he's still a powerful swordsman by himself.

Killingham hasnt shown any of that tho.
Crackers actual body almost took g4s arm off.

 

[Doggo]

Killingham hasnt shown any of that tho.
Crackers actual body almost took g4s arm off.

Didnt he suplex of the school teachers?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Killingham isn't a "mage type".

He's still a zoan.

Zoans primarily thing is boosting your physical prowess. Mythicals get specials powers on top of that.

AND he's power boosted by Imu. Super Super Sommers was carrying a freaking giant's ship.

This man was swift diff’d by Sanji even with his Zoan fruit. He quite literally got the sheepshead treatment. If his physicals are so impressive in his Zoan form he wouldn’t be getting neg’d by casual Sanji. Even pay pay required ACoC from Linlin in order to be defeated and he’s a mid tier.
Not saying that Kiringham doesn’t get any physical buff perks from his Zoan but that is clearly not as prominent as even the likes of page 1. His Zoan core abilities are centered around summons.

I will take my L if he turns out to a beast in CQC but imo you’re expecting too much and not thinking about how that balances out with Super Sommers.

 

[Royal Kick]

Yes, Jimbe and Nami will hold off Zaza while they listen to Brooke's story many kms away on the opposite side of the island, as Zaza is currently kidnapping the kids right infront of Sanji and their dying mothers. That makes sense?

Nami's group is more likely to get their rematch vs Gunko, with Brooke eventually freeing Shuri.

Oda set up this dilemma for Sanji to overcome, especially with his chivalry, and that hidden conversation he and Gaban had earlier. Killingham is not the main obstacle for him, it's the Rain God. There is no situation where Killingham is the bigger threat.

Not everything is defined by what happened in the last chapter, things are in constant motion. They won't stay where they are forever. Nami's group fighting Zaza was just an example of what could happen anyway.

How do you imagine Sanji to overcome this dilemma, exactly? Having him hit a woman after Oda went out of his way to show it's not happening? Unrealistic. Or just having to accept it's not a real woman? Feels stupid.

And who is gonna take care of Killingham, in the meantime? Sanji defeating Killingham = Zaza defeated, but the opposite isn't true.

 

[Royal Kick]

The closest thing, in ONe Piece world, that we have to Killingham, is actually Cracker.

He uses his biscuit soldiers/armor, but he's still a powerful swordsman by himself.

There's also Daifuku's genie.

Only difference is Killingham is the one who is immortal, which is pointless if he's not the one that needs to be defeated.

 

[Doggo]

This man was swift diff’d by Sanji even with his Zoan fruit. He quite literally got the sheepshead treatment. If his physicals are so impressive in his Zoan form he wouldn’t be getting neg’d by casual Sanji. Even pay pay required ACoC from Linlin in order to be defeated and he’s a mid tier.
Not saying that Kiringham doesn’t get any physical buff perks from his Zoan but that is clearly not as prominent as even the likes of page 1. His Zoan core abilities are centered around summons.

I will take my L if he turns out to a beast in CQC but imo you’re expecting too much and not thinking about how that balances out with Super Super Sommers.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm not saying he was the bomb before the Maki boost.
I'm saying that we saw him going close and personal. He threw a giant around. He clearly can fight at close quarters.

Before he got negged by Sanji, sure. But now he has a boost to make it an actual challenge.

 

[Royal Kick]

I was very polite and bro still got mad.

It's a freakin Chinese cartoon. And who cares whom Sanji fights, as long as it leads to some Sanji greatness. Chill.

 

[kekaro]

Btw does anyone have a link to the Sanji v Khalifa fight?
iirc he was parrying her and even overwhelemed her at some point in that fight so I do wonder if Sanji could adopt a defensive type of style against Zaza. Almost certain PoL is going to come into play in this fight not just sure how Oda will be utlilizing it

I mean its true that sanji usually gets beatup because the woman secudes you or he needs to sandbag because he is protecting a woman but killingham could just make it to do so one he figures out, no?

 

[Etemenanki]

It will happen, Germa Kingdom lore will be expanded more. Judge is with Cesar and they will be back, maybe when that happens we will get more.

That...
or a quick SBS

 

[Devilbat]

Ehhh, I really don't like Sanji's being next to the rain boobs. Unless he turns Zaza against Killingham somehow, which was kinda foreshadowed (Killingham did say he was not sure if he can control Zaza), we're fucked.

 

[JJtheman]

DJ is a red-orange flame and IJ is a white-blue flame, LJ(Lucifer Jambe) is gonna be a black-pink flame.

black-prismatic or rainbow colored

 

[MegaSpider]

Not everything is defined by what happened in the last chapter, things are in constant motion. They won't stay where they are forever. Nami's group fighting Zaza was just an example of what could happen anyway.

How do you imagine Sanji to overcome this dilemma, exactly? Having him hit a woman after Oda went out of his way to show it's not happening? Unrealistic. Or just having to accept it's not a real woman? Feels stupid.

And who is gonna take care of Killingham, in the meantime? Sanji defeating Killingham = Zaza defeated, but the opposite isn't true.

Brooke's story started as Sanji reached Zaza. Nami's group is on the opposite side, and they are near Gunko's ice block and not currently moving. Oda would've had them running towards Zaza's location for the transition when the flashback ends. It's safe to say they won't be involved with Killingham/Zaza/Super Sommers situation but will instead deal with Gunko.

As for how Sanji will deal with this, being up against a powerful woman is what makes this situation interesting. If it just ends with him not fighting back and having someone else save him for the 3rd time, then not only is that repetitive, but also how is he supposed to grow? Whatever Sanji is going to awaken be it PoL, CoC, New Flames, etc. needs him to deal with it.
Whatever he gets from dealing with Zaza should end Killingham too. But I just don't see Killingham being a fighter the way Super Sommers is. He's a Summoner, and defeating his main Summon should be the way to defeat him.

 

[Royal Kick]

Brooke's story started as Sanji reached Zaza. Nami's group is on the opposite side, and they are near Gunko's ice block and not currently moving. Oda would've had them running towards Zaza's location for the transition when the flashback ends. It's safe to say they won't be involved with Killingham/Zaza/Super Super Sommers situation but will instead deal with Gunko.

As for how Sanji will deal with this, being up against a powerful woman is what makes this situation interesting. If it just ends with him not fighting back and having someone else save him for the 3rd time, then not only is that repetitive, but also how is he supposed to grow? Whatever Sanji is going to awaken be it PoL, CoC, New Flames, etc. needs him to deal with it.
Whatever he gets from dealing with Zaza should end Killingham too. But I just don't see Killingham being a fighter the way Super Super Sommers is. He's a Summoner, and defeating his main Summon should be the way to defeat him.

You find that interesting because you're assuming Oda is willing to break this pattern for character development. I don't believe that, I think Oda decided to make it a pernament flaw, which not only shows his humanity but is also a testament to his love for Zeff. It's here to stay and what happened in Wano with Black Maria seemed to be Oda's way of saying Sanji doesn't need to change his ways because he has friends he can rely on and they accept him as he is.

Based on what I think Oda could do, the only way Sanji vs Zaza would work is if he doesn't see the MMA as a woman from the get-go, or if it's genderless and we wrongly assumed it's a woman. But I don't think it's likely.