Controversial Be smart and quit One Piece OR admit you love it
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OP wouldnt have died. Oda writes strictly for the Japanese and the manga always sold high there. If it didnt thrive in the west, it would have thrived where it always did. In the East between France and Japan lmfao.
One Piece writing hasn't changed either. All the disillusionment people feel now, is due to the fact that we all fucking grew up and the manga didn't grow with us.
I said it before to @Owl Ki and @Elder Lee Hung and I will say it again. One Piece is a kid's manga. It ALWAYS had the same basic/bad writing tropes. Post Timeskip, is Oda rehashing plotbeats/structures from Pre Timeskip. The best thing about it was always just the world building. He said he writes the manga for 13 year olds. He directly stated has no intentions of changing the SHs personalities or giving them any major character development because then they would be different characters. We knew what we were getting into from the get go lol. The type of Shonen people want it to be, Oda has no intentions of delivering it. He doesn't want his story to change from it's roots.
I'm only sticking around for the Loki and Admiral agenda here and even then, its not really that fun.
One Piece writing hasn't changed either. All the disillusionment people feel now, is due to the fact that we all fucking grew up and the manga didn't grow with us.
I said it before to @Owl Ki and @Elder Lee Hung and I will say it again. One Piece is a kid's manga. It ALWAYS had the same basic/bad writing tropes. Post Timeskip, is Oda rehashing plotbeats/structures from Pre Timeskip. The best thing about it was always just the world building. He said he writes the manga for 13 year olds. He directly stated has no intentions of changing the SHs personalities or giving them any major character development because then they would be different characters. We knew what we were getting into from the get go lol. The type of Shonen people want it to be, Oda has no intentions of delivering it. He doesn't want his story to change from it's roots.
I'm only sticking around for the Loki and Admiral agenda here and even then, its not really that fun.
Ichigo didn't want to even use bankai against him. And nel was getting targeted again and again. Bankai ichigo barely even fought him.
He was getting negged in Shikai. Then he also used Bankai and Dordoni did well. And he was even beating Bankai Ichigo after gaining an edge
If Ichigo has any hope of being close to Byakuya in HM, then he needs to at bare minimum neg Dordoni with Bankai
I don't know why it's necessary to have an echo chamber
People who are critics and who likes one piece can simply go on to blend together if they simply stop imposing their view points on to others.
I don't understand how people let others opinions hold so much weight onto their experience of the story or any event?
Yeah it do gets toxic sometimes or goes overboard but being indifferent about it is the way and not letting it get into the head.
Anyway, my enjoyment of the series went down simply because of increasing breaks and Oda's timing of plots introduction. For instance, Brook flashback feel so off because of timing to me. It might turn out to be really good and serve an impactful purpose later on but as of now it just feels off timing wise because it broke the hype and flow of what Oda was building for weeks prior to it.
People who are critics and who likes one piece can simply go on to blend together if they simply stop imposing their view points on to others.
I don't understand how people let others opinions hold so much weight onto their experience of the story or any event?
Yeah it do gets toxic sometimes or goes overboard but being indifferent about it is the way and not letting it get into the head.
Anyway, my enjoyment of the series went down simply because of increasing breaks and Oda's timing of plots introduction. For instance, Brook flashback feel so off because of timing to me. It might turn out to be really good and serve an impactful purpose later on but as of now it just feels off timing wise because it broke the hype and flow of what Oda was building for weeks prior to it.
I think the one thing that has undeniably changed between Pre & Post TS is pacing. That's really the main thing that actually annoys people.
100-150 chapters Pre-TS gave you a whole saga. 100-150 chapters Post-TS it is giving you singular arcs like Dressrosa and Wano. I do not see why for example Dressrosa Arc should be longer than the entire Summit War Saga. Lol.
Pacing is the king of entertainment value. Screw that up and everything else collapses.
100-150 chapters Pre-TS gave you a whole saga. 100-150 chapters Post-TS it is giving you singular arcs like Dressrosa and Wano. I do not see why for example Dressrosa Arc should be longer than the entire Summit War Saga. Lol.
Pacing is the king of entertainment value. Screw that up and everything else collapses.
Well I don't mind the "quiting OP" part, after all you guyz do your thing we have no right to force you to read something you don't like, what is problematic and less understandable is when people, despite not liking One Piece, despite wanting to quit, despite hating every chapter, are still wasting hours and hours of trashtalk discussion just to hate. I could understand someone wanting to keep discussing just to interact with others on other subjects but that's not it.
This is not healthy, not for these people and not for people who just happen to be there because they still love the story. This is why I'm saying "quit it or admit that there is something more".
The problem is : it's not a fact.
This hatred, is technically a scam. Technically, it's fallacious.
People need to understand that it's not because there is a big % of people hating that somehow there is something to hate rationnaly there. There is none, at least not to this point.
It's an illusion of lack of quality.
Actually, it did. Simply not as a seinen
I don't remember Oda ever saying that. Plus this would be a lie. He is literally changing their personnalities before our eyes.
We also have to get rid of that idaes that a strong character evolution is a golden standard in fiction. It's not a such a story can work. The main cast's character evolution in One Piece are subtle, never radical and it's okay, radical change would be unmanagable and probably not really interesting on a long run. Subtle change are much more engaging because it pushes us to understand them and read much better into the psyche of each characters.
Well.. at least if we have the tools to understand and empathizes with chararacters.
You do what you want
Yet you have one, it's simply not a positive one.
Echo chambers are not necessarilyon one side or the others. Echo chambers are places where it's difficult to express an opinion without social punition or laughers.
Worstgen, for ex, is a toxic echo chamber where positivity is usually laugh at and strong material love usually framed as irrationnal.
Perhaps because you never used a story as a mean to protect yourself from the world.
Ask yourself why people react badly when you attack their religion, then you will understand why some people need you to respect their love for the story of such importance as One Piece. It's not a question of blind faith, it's a question of closeness with the material, the way it makes us feels, the way it lift us up, the way it is a fuel for hope in a world full of horrors.
If you attack the one thing people protect themselves with, you will create an unsafe space. It's necessary to critic, but it's also necessary to understand that people rely on stories to move on with their lives too.
One's man's trash is an another man's treasure.
One Piece is a good adaptation for the first 500 to 600 chapters I'd say, then it goes downhill up until Zou, then it starts to find a new footing up until wano with big problems of pacing then it does a lot of good things from the beginning up to the first half of wano with sitll a few problem of Pacing, then it finally puts a woman in charge and it takes off, starts to be more and more incredible with irrigularities then for some reason it decides to be the best adaptation in existence with a lot of creative freedom, sets up a new bar for serial adaptation in egghead closing in with the best seasonnal adaptation despite being a weekly release then go on a break and come back to give us a movie quality adaptation.
The pacing is not really the problem, it didn't really change (dressrosa simply needed a lot more time because there were a lot more narrative threads to unpack), the issue of the fanbase is rather the way Oda choosed to switch his focus from the strawhats to their social circle.
While paradise was focused on the strawhats, mainly because it was the recruitment aera, The new world focuses on other characters and their complexe character arc. (with exceptions like Totland of course). People didn't like that and I can understand but, narratively, it is not a bad choice as long as there is still development within the crew which is still happening.
This focus simply blurred the vision of the fanbase to the real development of characters. This is why people who read or watch One Piece in bulk have a much easier time noticing these change as they are much more subtle than in any other normal story.
This is not healthy, not for these people and not for people who just happen to be there because they still love the story. This is why I'm saying "quit it or admit that there is something more".
The problem is : it's not a fact.
This hatred, is technically a scam. Technically, it's fallacious.
People need to understand that it's not because there is a big % of people hating that somehow there is something to hate rationnaly there. There is none, at least not to this point.
It's an illusion of lack of quality.
Actually, it did. Simply not as a seinen
I don't remember Oda ever saying that. Plus this would be a lie. He is literally changing their personnalities before our eyes.
We also have to get rid of that idaes that a strong character evolution is a golden standard in fiction. It's not a such a story can work. The main cast's character evolution in One Piece are subtle, never radical and it's okay, radical change would be unmanagable and probably not really interesting on a long run. Subtle change are much more engaging because it pushes us to understand them and read much better into the psyche of each characters.
Well.. at least if we have the tools to understand and empathizes with chararacters.
You do what you want
Yet you have one, it's simply not a positive one.
Echo chambers are not necessarilyon one side or the others. Echo chambers are places where it's difficult to express an opinion without social punition or laughers.
Worstgen, for ex, is a toxic echo chamber where positivity is usually laugh at and strong material love usually framed as irrationnal.
Perhaps because you never used a story as a mean to protect yourself from the world.
Ask yourself why people react badly when you attack their religion, then you will understand why some people need you to respect their love for the story of such importance as One Piece. It's not a question of blind faith, it's a question of closeness with the material, the way it makes us feels, the way it lift us up, the way it is a fuel for hope in a world full of horrors.
If you attack the one thing people protect themselves with, you will create an unsafe space. It's necessary to critic, but it's also necessary to understand that people rely on stories to move on with their lives too.
One's man's trash is an another man's treasure.
One Piece is a good adaptation for the first 500 to 600 chapters I'd say, then it goes downhill up until Zou, then it starts to find a new footing up until wano with big problems of pacing then it does a lot of good things from the beginning up to the first half of wano with sitll a few problem of Pacing, then it finally puts a woman in charge and it takes off, starts to be more and more incredible with irrigularities then for some reason it decides to be the best adaptation in existence with a lot of creative freedom, sets up a new bar for serial adaptation in egghead closing in with the best seasonnal adaptation despite being a weekly release then go on a break and come back to give us a movie quality adaptation.
The pacing is not really the problem, it didn't really change (dressrosa simply needed a lot more time because there were a lot more narrative threads to unpack), the issue of the fanbase is rather the way Oda choosed to switch his focus from the strawhats to their social circle.
While paradise was focused on the strawhats, mainly because it was the recruitment aera, The new world focuses on other characters and their complexe character arc. (with exceptions like Totland of course). People didn't like that and I can understand but, narratively, it is not a bad choice as long as there is still development within the crew which is still happening.
This focus simply blurred the vision of the fanbase to the real development of characters. This is why people who read or watch One Piece in bulk have a much easier time noticing these change as they are much more subtle than in any other normal story.
They aren't criticizing with the goal to attack safe space or to create an unsafe one. They criticise because most of them genuinely feels disappointment. You can counter their arguments and that's all you have in your hands.
People can have different sorts of experience and worldview.
Also, a stranger online on a forum for a manga is not obligated to protect your worldview, your coping mechanisms or create a safe space for you. They don't owe you anything. They come here to express themselves freely and not to please anyone.
They may challenge your beliefs bluntly, and they are within their rights to do so.
People can have different sorts of experience and worldview.
Also, a stranger online on a forum for a manga is not obligated to protect your worldview, your coping mechanisms or create a safe space for you. They don't owe you anything. They come here to express themselves freely and not to please anyone.
They may challenge your beliefs bluntly, and they are within their rights to do so.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No one is questionning that fact. This feeling is indeed real.
Nop. There is more.
True
You need to understand, pal, that you are not some kind of outside entity living beyond the social ecosystem, neither are these people, nor am I. We are all part of the social web and what we do, affect the others.
While people have no obligation to be nice to eachothers outside of the systems they take appart, they have the necessity to understand that actions bare consequences. My post is one of them.
Within the limits of the system, I will talk as long as I want, I will push people to stop their hatred as long as I want. I will try to do my best to counter toxicity as long as I want, because I know what real negativity can hide and create.
People are within there right to hate and I'm within my right to counter them. And it's all there is to it really.
Now, let's all understand that we all have arguments on the matter, that I'm not simply speaking out of my own confort, that you and them all have the right to hate if you want still and let's all go on our merry ways.
No one is questionning that fact. This feeling is indeed real.
Nop. There is more.
True
You need to understand, pal, that you are not some kind of outside entity living beyond the social ecosystem, neither are these people, nor am I. We are all part of the social web and what we do, affect the others.
While people have no obligation to be nice to eachothers outside of the systems they take appart, they have the necessity to understand that actions bare consequences. My post is one of them.
Within the limits of the system, I will talk as long as I want, I will push people to stop their hatred as long as I want. I will try to do my best to counter toxicity as long as I want, because I know what real negativity can hide and create.
People are within there right to hate and I'm within my right to counter them. And it's all there is to it really.
Now, let's all understand that we all have arguments on the matter, that I'm not simply speaking out of my own confort, that you and them all have the right to hate if you want still and let's all go on our merry ways.
