Powers & Abilities The end of the road | Final Boss of Copium?

[Kiri]

It's quite funny... To me imu seems to be what they wanted shanks to be, but at the end of the day imu sword attacks reign supreme lol.

We still really haven't seen "advanced" conquerors haki. Barring maybe Xebec creating that barrier. It also wouldn't make sense for the idea of a CoC specialist to exist, if there weren't different ways of manipulating CoC outside of armament.

One other thing that comes to mind is Shanks supposedly being able to cancel out a users Observation haki. So I think that's what it comes down to is how you can manipulate CoC to achieve different affects.

I don't think it will ever be this magician stuff Imu is doing but I don't think it's farfetched to shoot out beams of haki when we already have flying slashes and whatnot. Technically even a haki spirit bomb should be possible or doing a vegeta's final atonement where you just blow yourself up by expending all your haki like Roger and Garp did for their attacks.

But even being able to do all that doesn't guarantee anything, just because it's coc doesn't mean a coc specialist beats an armament specialist. Luffy is a CoC specialist and just got bodied by a sword.

 

[Konstantis]

Great post.
The only thing lacking is a bit more conviction, more faith in Mihawk being stronger than both Imu and Joyboy.
He is the one who sits atop fo the throne of supreme might, he is the one who forged the strongest weapon in history.
Not Imu nor anyone else will fare better than Roger and gang did, they are imaginary obstacles.
Also, Imu is at his strongest with his swords, we saw that everything else doesnt work, he wins only when he uses swords.
Completely normal phenomenon that he is weaker than Mihawk.

Mihawk will be defeated in the Loadstar island. Stop the cope. He will introduce Zoro that he received his sword from Imu

 

[nik87]

We still really haven't seen "advanced" conquerors haki.

Haki burst that we saw from Shanks and Joyboy?

Mihawk will be defeated in the Loadstar island. Stop the cope. He will introduce Zoro that he received his sword from Imu

Kon-chin, sabotaji like this isnt wise...
Yoru reigns supreme and nobody except for Zoro can do anything about it.
That's why Mihawk remains a complete unknown while King of the world is showing off everything already.

 

[Konstantis]

Kon-chin, sabotaji like this isnt wise...
Yoru reigns supreme and nobody except for Zoro can do anything about it.
That's why Mihawk remains a complete unknown while King of the world is showing off everything already.

You will cry in the next arc then. Mihawk is WSS because it's his title. Imu is the Shadow King of the World. He didn't have any title, or don't need any other title, because he is THE WORLD. Which means WSS never included THE WORLD. So Zoro can became WSS, but he will never became the real strongest swordman in the world.

 

[y0000]

ZKK still exist

 

[nik87]

You will cry in the next arc then. Mihawk is WSS because it's his title. Imu is the Shadow King of the World. He didn't have any title, or don't need any other title, because he is THE WORLD. Which means WSS never included THE WORLD. So Zoro can became WSS, but he will never became the real strongest swordman in the world.

Gotcha.
Mihawk is fake WSS.
Zoro will become fake WSS.
Yoru is fake strongest weapon.
Zoro's weapons will become fake strongest weapons in the world.

Your little shadow king is no longer a shadow, he is known now.
Didnt think about that one, eh Zolo?

 

[Konstantis]

Gotcha.
Mihawk is fake WSS.
Zoro will become fake WSS.
Yoru is fake strongest weapon.
Zoro's weapons will become fake strongest weapons in the world.

Your little shadow king is no longer a shadow, he is known now.
Didnt think about that one, eh Zolo?

Well, he defeated Zoro for that perticular reason, while Zoro after TS will be able to defeat Mihawk

 

[nik87]

Well, he defeated Zoro for that perticular reason, while Zoro after TS will be able to defeat Mihawk

Defeated Zoro? The same Zoro that took almost no damaji from Imu's clean hit?
There is no TS.

 

[HerreraIsBack]

I dont know what's more retarded, ZKK or thinking Kekhawk, the man who had the same rank as Gecko Moria before the dissolution of that org, is stronger than Imu who ran that org 4 levels higher, making him his janitor

So yeah its not gonna be different i fear, another plane hitting the scholar temple

Buggy has same rank of Luffy, Shanks, Kaido. Your point?

 

[kowaiyafren]

What the fuck is a hakiman? Do you people even speak English?

 

[Ricassian]

All those legendary names and you forgot to mention St. Figarland Garling. Lik.

 

[Kiri]

Haki burst that we saw from Shanks and Joyboy?


Kon-chin, sabotaji like this isnt wise...
Yoru reigns supreme and nobody except for Zoro can do anything about it.
That's why Mihawk remains a complete unknown while King of the world is showing off everything already.

hmm yeah, I guess what I really meant was it's not been explained. We've seen haki barriers, know that you can cancel obs haki.

Essentially things presumably a CoC specialist can do to manipulate conquerors haki. But even then im looking for a clearer distinction compared to armament/ryuou manipulation and that.

 

[Sanjiwillbeaking]

I wouldnt mind a full blown battle royal between the 4 emperors for the last ponigliph

 

[York]

Zoro will surpass Mihawk and then become the true Worlds Strongest Swordsman because Imu will finally succumb to his true EOS opponent, the congenital heart disease he's been battling for nearly a millenium

 

[Djordje]

So much cope without any actual manga evidence , just repeating nonsense never told in manga.

If you are man enough answer question directly instead of avoiding providing direct answers and going some workaround routes talking about unrelated nosense.

1. Black blade myths

Apart from your headcanon can you post exactly where in manga was it stated that those who forged black blade have the strongest haki ? Or where was it said requirement for black blade is the strongest haki ?



2. Title scaling hypocrites

Mihawk is WSS , great that makes him stronger than Shanks , Fujitora , Rayleigh , Vista . His title does not include Kaido and going by title scaling Kaido is WSC and WSP which makes him stronger than Mihawk by title scaling.

Also MIhawk aint in Kaido top 5 and statement where Kaido said only Joyboy can defeat him and there is no one in this world capable of defeating me is something you also ignore .

 

[nik87]

So much cope without any actual manga evidence , just repeating nonsense never told in manga.

If you are man enough answer question directly instead of avoiding providing direct answers and going some workaround routes talking about unrelated nosense.

1. Black blade myths

Apart from your headcanon can you post exactly where in manga was it stated that those who forged black blade have the strongest haki ? Or where was it said requirement for black blade is the strongest haki ?



2. Title scaling hypocrites

Mihawk is WSS , great that makes him stronger than Shanks , Fujitora , Rayleigh , Vista . His title does not include Kaido and going by title scaling Kaido is WSC and WSP which makes him stronger than Mihawk by title scaling.

Also MIhawk aint in Kaido top 5 and statement where Kaido said only Joyboy can defeat him and there is no one in this world capable of defeating me is something you also ignore .

1 - Mihawk told Zoro to use haki to surpass his blade, the strongest weapon in the world, not just merely black blade.
To break though Yoru, you need a stronger blade aka stronger haki.
Just like you need stronger haki to break through haki defense. It is literally spelled out in a fight between DR Rocks and Roger+Garp.
Put 2 and 2 together and stop coping, Djordje-chin...

2 - There is WSC in final saga, nor WSM. There is no title undermining Mihawk in the core part of the story which Oda himself said that's the only thing that matters. Kaido was never declared WSC in the present, he didnt receive such narrative declaration.
You should figure out why Mihawk isnt in Kaido's top 5 when he is stronger than all 5 of them - because those 5 are weaker than Kaido.

 

[Soyz]

1. Anyone not trolling clearly understands Mihawk would do to Luffy what Imu just did.

Throughout the entire Kaido fight I was just thinking "If Kaido was a swordsman he'd have killed luffy a dozen times by now" because it's true.

And the time Luffy goes up against a blade he gets impaled, because that's what would have ended his pirating career this whole time.

That's why people are now saying Luffy needs equipment like Imu has just to compete and stay alive. We've seen depictions of Nika wielding a shield or spear etc.

2. Anyway Imu being stronger than Mihawk is not what's important here. The fact that he's using sword techniques raises a question "Is Oda okay with showing stronger swordsmanship than Mihawk's before he even shows off Mihawk's capabilities?"

The answer is clearly no in my humble opinion. Meaning whatever Imu is showing, must be inferior to whatever Mihawk is capable of. We can bring up that he's nerfed but I don't see how that affects the literal weapons he's using like this Sword of Nothingness.

So therefore and likewise, if Yoru is to remain the strongest sword, it should also be superior to any blade Imu pulls out, whatever hax abilities it has.

3. Meaning, Imu's capabilities and toolkit when it comes to this must be inferior to whatever Mihawk can do. If I'm being charitable, maybe it doesn't matter that Imu's maki itself is being shaped into a sword with stigma, because it's his Maki at the end of the day no matter what shape it's in.

But even then I just see it as a cheap knock off of Yoru. Which is the real deal. I mean this as in The Strongest Blade used in the hands of the Strongest Swordsman, should be more effective than a nerfed Imu shaping his maki into a sword. I don't think this is farfetched.

4. Pirate warriors specifically was more accurate that many presumed, because it showed Shanks imbuing his conquerors haki into his sword attacks, way before we saw him use Divine Departure. Similarly if we look at Mihawk's skillset in that game, it's all related to Imu in some way.

16 day moon, Kokuto: Mu, etc. Even if Mihawk is not stronger than Imu, his swordsmanship must be stronger than Imu's. That is just one tool out of many that Imu uses and even if it's amplified by his power, that doesn't mean it is stronger than someone who has dedicated their entire life to that one tool that Imu uses.

5. If Shanks haki is anywhere near the realm of Joyboy's then assuredly Imu would acknowledge Shanks as being strong, the Gorosei already do. And we know for a fact his haki imbued sword techniques are weaker than Mihawks.

If you aren't disingenuous you will then come to the conclusion that Mihawk's swordsmanship, reaches the realm of Joyboy's league in terms of it's effectiveness. And if that is the case, then it is again not a stretch to say it is stronger than any sword Imu can pull out.

And if you're asking what justifies Mihawk's swordsmanship being so strong, aside from using the logic that it must be above Shanks's, that can be a combination of factors.

6. Mihawk already being very strong and paired with Yoru which can be insane in it's own right. If you disagree then you are also saying Yoru is not even top 20 sword potentially, because of the 20 swords Imu could have in his bag.

You have to essentially quadruple down on what we know about Mihawk and his Blade to be untrue. Even Yoru is connected to marejois and potentially the void century.

This combination is what allows Mihawk's swordsmanship to be this strong, even if he himself is not as strong as Joyboy. And at the end of the day the sword chose him, and he tamed it. Yoru itself can be a symbol of the culmination of all the sword techniques Imu is using.

7.I don't believe Oda would disrespect Zoro's goal like that, because even if Mihawk were to be a stepping stone for Zoro to help save the world or whatever, it's still his literal dream at the end of the day, his kingly ambition.

I can logically demonstrate my conclusions but at the end of the day some people will just need to see it to believe it, part of their frustration is Mihawk being held back for so long, but that's literally what opposes their Mihawk slander. They don't seem to realise that or don't care because of said frustration.

None of what I said means Mihawk is literally stronger than Imu, but it shows why Mihawk's swordsmanship can be stronger than any sword technique Imu can throw out.

So much copium and headcannon lmao, mohawk canonically afraid to go against luffy. his only purpose in the story is to look good against pinzoro which is not hard seeing how imu underling just destroyed "top 1 AP" argument

 

[Djordje]

1 - Mihawk told Zoro to use haki to surpass his blade, the strongest weapon in the world, not just merely black blade.
To break though Yoru, you need a stronger blade aka stronger haki.
Just like you need stronger haki to break through haki defense. It is literally spelled out in a fight between DR Rocks and Roger+Garp.
Put 2 and 2 together and stop coping, Djordje-chin...

2 - There is WSC in final saga, nor WSM. There is no title undermining Mihawk in the core part of the story which Oda himself said that's the only thing that matters. Kaido was never declared WSC in the present, he didnt receive such narrative declaration.
You should figure out why Mihawk isnt in Kaido's top 5 when he is stronger than all 5 of them - because those 5 are weaker than Kaido.

Zoro breaking / surpassing Yoru would mean his haki will be stronger than Mihawk haki thats all.I am still waiting to explain were it's said Mihawk has strongest haki.Stop avoiding question and answer directly.

Secon part is just cope never stated or shown in manga.

 

[nik87]

Zoro breaking / surpassing Yoru would mean his haki will be stronger than Mihawk haki thats all.I am still waiting to explain were it's said Mihawk has strongest haki.Stop avoiding question and answer directly.

Secon part is just cope never stated or shown in manga.

Yes, it will mean his haki is stronger than Mihawk's...
...but wait, there is more!
Yoru is the strongest weapon and it is a result of Mihawk's haki.

Once Zoro beats Mihawk and Yoru, his haki is stronger but his weapons also are.
You keep deleting from your mind that Mihawk's weapon is the strongest and it is due to his haki.
Nobody else has a stronger weapon in the world than Mihawk aka their haki is not the strongest.

Which part exactly is cope? lol

 

[Djordje]

Yes, it will mean his haki is stronger than Mihawk's...
...but wait, there is more!
Yoru is the strongest weapon and it is a result of Mihawk's haki.

Once Zoro beats Mihawk and Yoru, his haki is stronger but his weapons also are.
You keep deleting from your mind that Mihawk's weapon is the strongest and it is due to his haki.
Nobody else has a stronger weapon in the world than Mihawk aka their haki is not the strongest.

Which part exactly is cope? lol

Manga scan saying Mihawk sword is the strongest because his haki is the strongest , you are still failing to provide that and going strictly by your headcanon.