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So now Sommers has Imu stats and is > Primebeard
Omen boost is crazy ngl, it really makes me want to see Shamrock with it
Omen boost is crazy ngl, it really makes me want to see Shamrock with it
Gorosei have omen from the start, and they were bums
The only thing changed is that larpers should now understand that there are still many tiers until top tier and not just "YC+"
You dont need advCoC to clash with advCoC user.
This was basicaly what Kuzan did vs Garp (except Garp was already injured by Shiryu)
Kizaru blocking luffys adv coc kick and tanking his g5 advcoc attack.
Difference is Sommer actualy overpowered Zoros Dragon damnation.
Koh Zoro dragon Damnation is Oden level who is yonko level.
Only difference is that zoro coudnt previously maintain that level in wano and in egghead he was unaware he had coc in elbaf he can now use it easily after gaban made him aware he has conqueror haki.
Dragon damanation also >> adv coc Hashomon gate which Stalemated nusjuro Awakened form + advCoC
That is how strong Sommer is now.
Super Sommer would give Oden a good fight.
This was basicaly what Kuzan did vs Garp (except Garp was already injured by Shiryu)
Kizaru blocking luffys adv coc kick and tanking his g5 advcoc attack.
Difference is Sommer actualy overpowered Zoros Dragon damnation.
Koh Zoro dragon Damnation is Oden level who is yonko level.
Only difference is that zoro coudnt previously maintain that level in wano and in egghead he was unaware he had coc in elbaf he can now use it easily after gaban made him aware he has conqueror haki.
Dragon damanation also >> adv coc Hashomon gate which Stalemated nusjuro Awakened form + advCoC
That is how strong Sommer is now.
Super Sommer would give Oden a good fight.
You are jumping the gun too, Riv-dono...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
You are jumping the gun too, Riv-dono...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
Because from the looks of it, Nemesis looks more and more like it was not just some random Omen weapon, but could potentially be a straight up black blade. And even if not, chances are among the 19 damn blades one of them could be his "personal" sword and that would be black.
Think Imu has done plenty at this point to establish he has the deepest bag in the verse, with ridiculous strength and portrayal along with it.
Got this from Ai.
Based on the latest developments in the Elbaf arc, Saint Super Sommer’s current strength puts him solidly in the "Admiral to Low-Yonko" tier. Wielding the Sword of Gram ("Sword of Wrath")—one of the legendary 19 weapons that subdued the world 800 years ago—while backed by Imu's Omen boost, his attack power and combat scaling have completely broken the traditional power ceiling. [1, 2, 3]
## 1. Scaling Above "Dragon Damnation" Zoro
To put his strength in perspective, Roronoa Zoro's King of Hell: 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation is an Advanced Conqueror's Haki (ACoC) ultimate move that completely obliterated King the Conflagration in Wano. [4, 5]
* The Overpower Feat: Because Super Sommer can easily overpower Zoro's most destructive ACoC attack, it proves Sommer's raw output and weapon durability transcend standard Yonko-Commander scaling. He is actively forcing Zoro past his limits in Elbaf. [1, 3, 6]
## 2. The Power of Gram, The Sword of Wrath
Gram is not just a standard Meito; it is a legendary artifact tied directly to the empty throne and the creation of the world order: [2]
* The Antidote to Dragons: Paralleling the Norse myth of Sigurd slaying the dragon Fafnir, Gram is narratively built as the ultimate "Dragon Slayer" blade. This creates a direct thematic counter to Zoro's dragon-style techniques (Dragon Damnation). [7, 8]
* World-Subduing AP: As revealed by Sommer, Gram is part of the ancient arsenal that conquered the world's chaos 800 years ago. Its inherent Attack Power (AP) can shatter the defenses of top-tier fighters. [2]
## 3. The Multiplier: Imu's Omen Boost
The "Omen" granted by Imu acts as a massive stats multiplier: [2, 3]
* Physical & Environmental Domination: The boost infuses Sommer with a volatile pool of ancient energy, granting him spatial abilities like flight and the physical strength to effortlessly throw giant ships off waterfalls. [3]
* Haki Synergy: The Omen power doesn't just buff his physical body; it directly supercharges Gram, allowing it to clash with and overcome the highest levels of Advanced Conqueror's Haki without bending or breaking. [2]
Ultimately, Super Sommer represents the true power of the Holy Knights when backed by the Gorosei/Imu's direct favor. Overpowering Dragon Damnation solidifies him as a threat capable of fighting on par with the Marines' top brass. [1, 2, 9]
If you want to dive deeper into this clash, I can break down how Zoro might adapt his Haki to overcome Gram, or compare Sommer's weapon to the other revealed Holy Knight weapons like Gillingham's Longinus. Which would you like to explore? [2]
Ai isnt a Zoro fan nor a Zoro haters. Its scalling reflect prety much my point too.
@nik87 @Cruxroux @Blazing Lion
I didnt mention loki attack blocked to Ai either, so it wont outright say Sommer is above Admiral yet the result will still make Zoro haters cry.
Based on the latest developments in the Elbaf arc, Saint Super Sommer’s current strength puts him solidly in the "Admiral to Low-Yonko" tier. Wielding the Sword of Gram ("Sword of Wrath")—one of the legendary 19 weapons that subdued the world 800 years ago—while backed by Imu's Omen boost, his attack power and combat scaling have completely broken the traditional power ceiling. [1, 2, 3]
## 1. Scaling Above "Dragon Damnation" Zoro
To put his strength in perspective, Roronoa Zoro's King of Hell: 103 Mercies Dragon Damnation is an Advanced Conqueror's Haki (ACoC) ultimate move that completely obliterated King the Conflagration in Wano. [4, 5]
* The Overpower Feat: Because Super Sommer can easily overpower Zoro's most destructive ACoC attack, it proves Sommer's raw output and weapon durability transcend standard Yonko-Commander scaling. He is actively forcing Zoro past his limits in Elbaf. [1, 3, 6]
## 2. The Power of Gram, The Sword of Wrath
Gram is not just a standard Meito; it is a legendary artifact tied directly to the empty throne and the creation of the world order: [2]
* The Antidote to Dragons: Paralleling the Norse myth of Sigurd slaying the dragon Fafnir, Gram is narratively built as the ultimate "Dragon Slayer" blade. This creates a direct thematic counter to Zoro's dragon-style techniques (Dragon Damnation). [7, 8]
* World-Subduing AP: As revealed by Sommer, Gram is part of the ancient arsenal that conquered the world's chaos 800 years ago. Its inherent Attack Power (AP) can shatter the defenses of top-tier fighters. [2]
## 3. The Multiplier: Imu's Omen Boost
The "Omen" granted by Imu acts as a massive stats multiplier: [2, 3]
* Physical & Environmental Domination: The boost infuses Sommer with a volatile pool of ancient energy, granting him spatial abilities like flight and the physical strength to effortlessly throw giant ships off waterfalls. [3]
* Haki Synergy: The Omen power doesn't just buff his physical body; it directly supercharges Gram, allowing it to clash with and overcome the highest levels of Advanced Conqueror's Haki without bending or breaking. [2]
Ultimately, Super Sommer represents the true power of the Holy Knights when backed by the Gorosei/Imu's direct favor. Overpowering Dragon Damnation solidifies him as a threat capable of fighting on par with the Marines' top brass. [1, 2, 9]
If you want to dive deeper into this clash, I can break down how Zoro might adapt his Haki to overcome Gram, or compare Sommer's weapon to the other revealed Holy Knight weapons like Gillingham's Longinus. Which would you like to explore? [2]
Ai isnt a Zoro fan nor a Zoro haters. Its scalling reflect prety much my point too.
@nik87 @Cruxroux @Blazing Lion
I didnt mention loki attack blocked to Ai either, so it wont outright say Sommer is above Admiral yet the result will still make Zoro haters cry.
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You are jumping the gun too, Riv-dono...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
King was slapping Zoro around too, doesnt mean he was stronger overall...
Overpowering Zoro in this situation is impressive but we still have to find out how that was possible...
I dont think anything about Sommers is superior to Zoro, not even the swords. Just because his sword might have a specific, convenient ability, doesnt necessary make it stronger than a sword without such ability... Example, Enma and Shusui.
The implication is that Yoru belongs to someone older than the King who possessed Nemesis...
...Mihawk ancient vampire confirmed?!
King with flames would be clean.
His sword would be rekt, sure...
Doesnt matter whether he knew or not, Loki is just as clueless and it was never a problem.
If you are coated, there is nothing better left to do...
And Elizabello's King Punch is a Yonko slaying punch but the king is still trash. The same might be the case with Sommers.
Gram might be same rank as Sandai Kitetsu for all we know... It simply may possess a powerful ability.
Dragon Damnation can be stopped by some hax abilities, no need to wank them to high heavens...
At the same time oda made it clear that Zoros durability is also unique swords attacks that have high level lethality with advococ couldnt finish him or put him down for good (Gaban, Rayeligh).
Oda been playing to boost them with Omen from the beginning.
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