Character Discussion Loki’s attacks...
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Ragnir produces lightning bro. This was confirmed by Imu, Ragnir’s lightning is generated by Ragnir smashing ice particles together (which can produce lightning irl). This is why Loki could still summon lightning while seastone cuffed. The lightning is coming from Ragnir.
This is why Imu stated that Loki and Ragnir work perfectly for each other, because both Ragnir and Loki can produce lightning.
Search for the name of his DF mf, and search for the abilities tha ragnir has which Loki has said.
Loki produces lightning from his DF while Ragnir channels it with his Ice.
@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk help your mf, he skipped the previous chapters.
Search for the name of his DF mf, and search for the abilities tha ragnir has which Loki has said.
Loki produces lightning from his DF while Ragnir channels it with his Ice.
@Sentinel @Tyki_Mikk help your mf, he skipped the previous chapters.
It's ironic for Sasaki to downplay (base) Loki's AP because G5 Luffy took one swing where he could ignore the elemental damage and it is questionable Loki even used aCOC (but if he really wants to argue aCOC doesn't have to be visible he can do it, but it might end up backfiring for his agenda ) when Luffy literally allowed Kaido to hit him in the back of the head to flex his G5 abilities, followed by Kaido hitting him in the head a second time and Luffy immediately bouncing back
And no discussion here, Kaido was undeniably using aCOC lol.
And no discussion here, Kaido was undeniably using aCOC lol.
You posted Kaido doing something Kizaru couldn't do the entire fight: actually landing a hit on Gear 5.
LMAO
Here it is. This moment with Kaido invalidates everything else. He just had to increase his strength and that was it.
Unless you delete that panel from the manga, then yeah, your arguments would actually make sense.
Look at this...
Luffy's condition before taking Loki's attack.
Loki bragging that it would be one of the greatest attacks, far beyond his previous ones.
Luffy asking him not to hold back.
Loki using Conqueror's Haki + the strength of an Ancient Giant + Ragnir
+ lightning.
Blud really hits weaker than Kaido, the warrior who killed Harald.
Unless you delete that panel from the manga, then yeah, your arguments would actually make sense.
Look at this...
Luffy's condition before taking Loki's attack.
Loki bragging that it would be one of the greatest attacks, far beyond his previous ones.
Luffy asking him not to hold back.
Loki using Conqueror's Haki + the strength of an Ancient Giant + Ragnir
+ lightning.
Blud really hits weaker than Kaido, the warrior who killed Harald.
Apples and Oranges in terms of physics.
The Loki attack was more of a push. Luffy got caught by the momentum mid swing.
It's similar to the meme videos of kids getting caught by those rotating playground bars.
If Loki would hit Luffy mid air the conventional way, he would send him flying to the next island.
Kaido hammered his Kanabo into Luffy's brain.
If you don't see the difference here I don't even know where to start tbh.
At the end of the day Imu either needed to use the biggest makiblast we have seen till now or gigantification of himself to block/clash with Loki's swings. That tells you the whole story.
And the "bigger one" move was a lightning beam. It's =/= to lightning powered Ragnir swings.
The Loki attack was more of a push. Luffy got caught by the momentum mid swing.
It's similar to the meme videos of kids getting caught by those rotating playground bars.
If Loki would hit Luffy mid air the conventional way, he would send him flying to the next island.
Kaido hammered his Kanabo into Luffy's brain.
If you don't see the difference here I don't even know where to start tbh.
At the end of the day Imu either needed to use the biggest makiblast we have seen till now or gigantification of himself to block/clash with Loki's swings. That tells you the whole story.
And the "bigger one" move was a lightning beam. It's =/= to lightning powered Ragnir swings.
Look at the level of stupidity I have to deal with every day. Right, the attacks from a tired Hybrid Kaido that were hitting and destroying Gear 5 didn't damage Luffy. Oh my God, Kaido is finished. This panel of Kaido actually damaging Luffy doesn't exist.
You posted Kaido doing something Kizaru couldn't do the entire fight: actually landing a hit on Gear 5.
LMAO
You posted Kaido doing something Kizaru couldn't do the entire fight: actually landing a hit on Gear 5.
LMAO
Poor Kizaru was too strong for the man who defeated Kaido, even Saturn questioned his performance and you still don't getting it lol
The only thing Kaido did that Kizaru couldn't do was lose to Goofy, and it's not like he didn't try.
Poor Kizaru was too strong for the man who defeated Kaido, even Saturn questioned his performance and you still don't getting it lol
Poor Kizaru was too strong for the man who defeated Kaido, even Saturn questioned his performance and you still don't getting it lol
The guy supposedly known as the fastest man in the world couldn't land a single attack on Gear 5. Meanwhile, Kaido was speed-blitzing Gear 5.
LMAO
Here it is. This moment with Kaido invalidates everything else. He just had to increase his strength and that was it.
Unless you delete that panel from the manga, then yeah, your arguments would actually make sense.
Look at this...
Luffy's condition before taking Loki's attack.
Loki bragging that it would be one of the greatest attacks, far beyond his previous ones.
Luffy asking him not to hold back.
Loki using Conqueror's Haki + the strength of an Ancient Giant + Ragnir
+ lightning.
Blud really hits weaker than Kaido, the warrior who killed Harald.
Unless you delete that panel from the manga, then yeah, your arguments would actually make sense.
Look at this...
Luffy's condition before taking Loki's attack.
Loki bragging that it would be one of the greatest attacks, far beyond his previous ones.
Luffy asking him not to hold back.
Loki using Conqueror's Haki + the strength of an Ancient Giant + Ragnir
+ lightning.
Blud really hits weaker than Kaido, the warrior who killed Harald.
That wasn't a push. Luffy explicitly asked Loki to give it everything he had physically so he could use the impact to gain momentum, just like he asked Sanji, Bonney, and Franky to give it everything they had in Egghead.
Lightning doesn't propel Luffy. In fact, it doesn't even move him from his position. You can look at EVERY example of Luffy getting hit by lightning, especially the last time Loki hit him with it.
Loki was expecting to physically hit Imu, just like in his previous attempts:
This time, he increased the size of his lightning. . Notice that his lightning is covered in lightning, but only to a small extent. Even if he failed to hit Imu with the hammer itself, the larger lightning discharge could still hit him. That doesn't mean he wasn't trying to hit Imu with the hammer. That's why Luffy stepped in front of him and asked him to use everything he had and not hold back.
Loki's physical attacks have been reduced to this:
Exactly. Kaido broke through Gear 5's defense and drove his kanabo straight into Luffy's brain.
And here, Luffy literally asked Loki to hit him with everything he had, and it did absolutely nothing to him.
Lightning doesn't propel Luffy. In fact, it doesn't even move him from his position. You can look at EVERY example of Luffy getting hit by lightning, especially the last time Loki hit him with it.
Loki was expecting to physically hit Imu, just like in his previous attempts:
This time, he increased the size of his lightning. . Notice that his lightning is covered in lightning, but only to a small extent. Even if he failed to hit Imu with the hammer itself, the larger lightning discharge could still hit him. That doesn't mean he wasn't trying to hit Imu with the hammer. That's why Luffy stepped in front of him and asked him to use everything he had and not hold back.
Loki's physical attacks have been reduced to this:
Exactly. Kaido broke through Gear 5's defense and drove his kanabo straight into Luffy's brain.
And here, Luffy literally asked Loki to hit him with everything he had, and it did absolutely nothing to him.
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You keep posting this panel as if it proves something, but
1) this is Kaido buffed by alcohol. This isn’t full power hybrid Kaido, he was buffed in this scene. Full power hybrid Kaido was equal to Gear 2/3 Luffy lol.
2) even buffed Kaido needed Guernica to defeat Gear 4 Luffy, the whole reason Luffy unlocked Gear 5 is because of CP-0, Kaido was never strong enough to force Luffy into Gear 5 lol.
So buffed Kaido landing one attack on Twika is irrelevant, Kaido was never strong enough to push Luffy that far on his own.
Then keep in mind that Nika got even stronger after clocking Kaido’s shot and still got neg diffed by form 1 Imu who could not defeat or even overpower mortally wounded Nidhoggr. Lol
1) this is Kaido buffed by alcohol. This isn’t full power hybrid Kaido, he was buffed in this scene. Full power hybrid Kaido was equal to Gear 2/3 Luffy lol.
2) even buffed Kaido needed Guernica to defeat Gear 4 Luffy, the whole reason Luffy unlocked Gear 5 is because of CP-0, Kaido was never strong enough to force Luffy into Gear 5 lol.
So buffed Kaido landing one attack on Twika is irrelevant, Kaido was never strong enough to push Luffy that far on his own.
Then keep in mind that Nika got even stronger after clocking Kaido’s shot and still got neg diffed by form 1 Imu who could not defeat or even overpower mortally wounded Nidhoggr. Lol
Buffed Kaido is still Kaido. Those muscles and that Haki are still his. What the hell are you even talking about? LMAO
Yeah, Gear 5 is getting beaten up by a guy who's basically Gear 2/3 level. LOL
Gear 2/3 > Gear 5. LOL
And Kizaru is basically Base Luffy level, since he couldn't beat the shit out of Gear 5 while Kaido could.
Not to mention that a tired Hybrid Kaido, while carrying an entire island, could speed-blitz Gear 5, something Kizaru couldn't even land a single hit on. LOL
G2/G3 > Gear 5, Elder?
Yeah, Gear 5 is getting beaten up by a guy who's basically Gear 2/3 level. LOL
Gear 2/3 > Gear 5. LOL
And Kizaru is basically Base Luffy level, since he couldn't beat the shit out of Gear 5 while Kaido could.
Not to mention that a tired Hybrid Kaido, while carrying an entire island, could speed-blitz Gear 5, something Kizaru couldn't even land a single hit on. LOL
G2/G3 > Gear 5, Elder?
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Buffed Kaido is still Kaido. Those muscles and that Haki are still his. What the hell are you even talking about? LMAO
Yeah, Gear 5 is getting beaten up by a guy who's basically Gear 2/3 level. LOL
Gear 2/3 > Gear 5. LOL
And Kizaru is basically Base Luffy level, since he couldn't beat the shit out of Gear 5 while Kaido could.
Yeah, Gear 5 is getting beaten up by a guy who's basically Gear 2/3 level. LOL
Gear 2/3 > Gear 5. LOL
And Kizaru is basically Base Luffy level, since he couldn't beat the shit out of Gear 5 while Kaido could.
Cherry picking 1 panel of buffed Kaido clubbing troll-mode Nika completely out of context, to somehow claim Kaido> Gear 5? Is factually wrong because pre-alcohol Kaido couldn’t beat Gear 2 and alcohol buffed Kaido would have drawn with Gear 4 if not for CP-0.
Wizaru defeated Snake Man in about 3 seconds. Unlike Kaido, Luffy went into Gear 5 for Kizaru alone instead of accidentally unlocking Gear 5 due to CP-0 interference lol.
And this was a mentally conflicted Kizaru who didn’t want to harm Luffy or complete his mission.
The canonical scaling is nerfed Kizaru > Gear 5 > Gear 4 ~ alcohol buffed Kaido >> Gear 2/3 ~ bloodlusted Hybrid Kaido >> base Luffy ~ standard hybrid Kaido,
