Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1195 Spoilers Discussion

[Albino 👑]

Zoro could cut Iron preskip. Sommers it is literally guessing. He doesn't know what he talking about they was no black lighning when Zoro cut vines.

Killinham literally says Sanji is made of iron or something. If he can just turn off germa then his character development makes no sense in Wano. Oh I can turn off germa forever nice. You see how stupid you sound.

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Anyone with a blade and external armament can cut normal iron. Not all iron is the same as we already know with tekkai, the holy knights hearts, etc

Zoro didn’t have flames on his swords either. It’s clear the problem is that Zoro’s use of conquerors was inconsistent

Yes you need conquerors or heat to get through Sommers thorns

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Guy we’ve seen Sanji flip his eyebrow this arc. He’s shown to be able to activate it whenever he wants to. If you believe he’s stuck with his exoskeleton on that’s one thing but he's had control of it prior

 

[Raiden7]

@Doggo @Tyki_Mikk @Fujishiro @Jackteo
Looking at the scans, it really does seem like this fight maybe has potential to be somewhat good.

ZBoys might make fun of Sanji for struggling(Even though there is a reason for it), but you know it is so far being handled more better than Zoro vs Bummers.

Zoro vs Sommers which I thought would be a good fight, ended up being a trash fight.

Zoro is cool and all, but seeing him not struggle at all against Sommers, his only problem being on how to control his CoC which is automatically fixed after a quick Mihawk flashback. And Sommers himself who is just screaming and crying the whole time, and then runs the fuck away.

That is not a good fight, that is straight up trash, even if Oda didn't want to have Zoro struggle, he could at the very least give us a decent fight between Zoro and Sommers, but nope he has to make Sommers into a complete joke.

Zoro at least somewhat struggled against King at first, but for Sommers nope nothing.

Also I still like Sommers, but this fight kind of ruined him a little bit for me.


Meanwhile Sanji who has yet to awaken his CoC is struggling against Killingham, while at the same time going through his mental problems.

Killingham is a joke as well, but so far he is not crying and screaming like Sommers was, and because of his quick regen, is giving Sanji a hard time.

The fight is already more interesting, but let's see how Oda handles the rest of the fight.

The fact is that Sanji already proved he can beat the shit out of Killingham even in this chapter. He already destroyed his body in half but lacking supreme king haki makes it "useless". So it is easy to understand that Killingham is able to repay the favor.

Sanji only needs a little push. But all is it coming together and this is again another Sanji development, truly Oda's golden boy.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Cap Killingham comments that is he iron or something in this chapter. His exo is always on. If he can turn it off then why would he be worried being like his brother that character development of Wano wouldn't make sense. Oh I can not be a vinsmoke anymore lol.

Damn can’t believe Vergo had an exoskeleton too. And Sanji had it in PH too cause Nami mentioned how naturally tough Sanjis body was then lmao.

 

[Shasha23]

But aside from the weird gag of them trying to force him into a dress, sanji never had a bad interaction like that with Ivankov, for example.

This was before his cheeks were taken

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

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Anyone with a blade and external armament can cut normal iron. Not all iron is the same as we already know with tekkai, the holy knights hearts, etc

Zoro didn’t have flames on his swords either. It’s clear the problem is that Zoro’s use of conquerors was inconsistent

Yes you need conquerors or heat to get through Sommers thorns

M
Guy we’ve seen Sanji flip his eyebrow this arc. He’s shown to be able to activate it whenever he wants to. If you believe he’s stuck with his exoskeleton on that’s one thing but he's had control of it prior

I never said all iron is the same and Maki demon gave them that heart. Zoro can cut Iron since oreskip and sommers was literally guessing talking about heat or ACoC. They was literally no black lighning in that panel so let's stop making shit up.

He literally used CoA we literally see it their wasn't any black lighning or indication of it. Stop writing own story.

I never said he can't switch his eyebrow dummy. Its a lock in thing not a I'm not exoskeleton guy anymore.

 

[Etemenanki]

Will Sanji really speedrun the whole CoC mastery arc next chapter?

- Luffy got CoC in pre time skip and learned how to coat his fists with ACoC against Kaido, after spending 2 years of training with Mr. Haki expert Runleygh
- Zoro unlocked it against King and learned how to use it just now with Bummers, after spending 2 years with the Top 1 Swordman.
- Sanji next week: "Oh yeah, I've been nerfing myself since the start of this manga.
Give me just one second to think about Ivankov and remove my limiter.
...
Done. Oh, this's CoC? Ok, then I guess I just have to coat my kicks with it."

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Damn can’t believe Vergo had an exoskeleton too. And Sanji had it in PH too cause Nami mentioned how naturally tough Sanjis body was then lmao.

Your slow

 

[Monkey D Al]

If he Sanji has been unconsciously looking his CoC because of his past experiences and he now unlocks it and masters it straight away to the level where he can use advanced CoC. Isn’t he like a Haki genius?

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Psycological battles are par for the course with Sanji fights so that much was expected.
And tbh I'm actually pleasantly surprised that Kiringham is actually utiliizing the advantages of his Immortal body in CQC (Regen'd almost instantly from his head before Sanji was able to complete his spinning and landed a devastating attack with Longinus). Plus he's also flexing his aerial prowess too boot .

Also it's nice to get a bit of gas for Longinus. Seems like Kiringham is able to shoot beams with his thrusts which is pretty dope.
Had to cut Sanji's reaction time to be able to hit but that's aa pretty good battle IQ feat from Kiringham.
Hopefully we get a proper explantion on what Longinus's ability is this chapter.



Also, seeing the way Kiringham is fighting this chapter, it's no surprise Sanji is in the state he's in.
In addition to getting battered up by Imu, with that regen speed and the fact that Sanji isn't really dealing any damage to Kiringham HP wise. He's just burning stamina and taking damage.

Lastly, like I guessed the issue with Sanji was his self-sacrificial nature which he himself doesn't seem to be fully concious of.
With the way the chapter ended I reckon Ivankov tried to help him overcome that weakness in some agregious way lol which he's completely closed off so bants incoming for sure lol. I'm nevous and exceited at the same time knowing Oda but will be interesting to see wagwan.

Also will be interesting to see just how far Oda goes with the Longinus lore. Know there is some symbolisim there with Sanji's CoC awakening so will be interesting to see from that point of view as well

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Looking at the scans, it really does seem like this fight maybe has potential to be somewhat good.

I feel like next chapter is the end of the battles.
Sommers lying defeated and Sanji beats Kilignham too.

I wish it would be longer, better but that is what it is...

The fact Sommers didn't even used awakening is awful.

 

[Doggo]

@Doggo @Tyki_Mikk @Fujishiro @Jackteo
Looking at the scans, it really does seem like this fight maybe has potential to be somewhat good.

ZBoys might make fun of Sanji for struggling(Even though there is a reason for it), but you know it is so far being handled more better than Zoro vs Bummers.

Zoro vs Sommers which I thought would be a good fight, ended up being a trash fight.

Zoro is cool and all, but seeing him not struggle at all against Sommers, his only problem being on how to control his CoC which is automatically fixed after a quick Mihawk flashback. And Sommers himself who is just screaming and crying the whole time, and then runs the fuck away.

That is not a good fight, that is straight up trash, even if Oda didn't want to have Zoro struggle, he could at the very least give us a decent fight between Zoro and Sommers, but nope he has to make Sommers into a complete joke.

Zoro at least somewhat struggled against King at first, but for Sommers nope nothing.

Also I still like Sommers, but this fight kind of ruined him a little bit for me.


Meanwhile Sanji who has yet to awaken his CoC is struggling against Killingham, while at the same time going through his mental problems.

Killingham is a joke as well, but so far he is not crying and screaming like Sommers was, and because of his quick regen, is giving Sanji a hard time.

The fight is already more interesting, but let's see how Oda handles the rest of the fight.

I've said it already.
Sanji vs Killingham is just "Zoro vs Mr1".

 

[DarkWitch]

Will Sanji really speedrun the whole CoC mastery arc next chapter?

- Luffy got CoC in pre time skip and learned how to coat his fists with ACoC against Kaido, after spending 2 years of training with Mr. Haki expert Runleygh
- Zoro unlocked it against King and learned how to use it just now with Bummers, after spending 2 years with the Top 1 Swordman.
- Sanji next week: "Oh yeah, I've been nerfing myself since the start of this manga.
Give me just one second to think about Ivankov and remove my limiter.
...
Done. Oh, this's CoC? Ok, then I guess I just have to coat my kicks with it."

Sanji's CoC writing is going to be good.

Unlike with Zoro.

Zoro randomly gets CoC and uses it, then later on states he didn't know he had it, struggles to control it, quick Mihawk flashback, ok he can control it now.

 

[NikaInParis]

Casually dodging Katakuris jelly,we can‘t say there where no signs

Nerfed Sanji was Zoro's equal. What happens when the shackles fall of?!

 

[Hanzo hattori]

Damn Stussy's dog was bleeding that much ? and some of his fans say he is marimo level

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Holy shit this fight with Ultra Bummingham is better than expected
The panel in which Sanji tears the bum into pieces and that one of Longinus Spear shooting a thunder/laser are amazing

Next chapter is gonna make history

Although Sanji is kind of a Neg Diff for Zoro and gonna be that way for a while.

 

[Doggo]

If he Sanji has been unconsciously looking his CoC because of his past experiences and he now unlocks it and masters it straight away to the level where he can use advanced CoC. Isn’t he like a Haki genius?

 

[Ven437]

Why in the hell is Sommers crying running against ACoC Zoro when a weaker version of him was FIGHTING OLD GABAN A PIRATE LEGEND AND FACING HIM HEAD ON

Is Zoro suddenly 100x stronger than enraged Gaban? Aint this supposed to be the same n1gga who got his ass kicked by Dodger pirates countless times? Now he suddenly start chickening away from a newly minted ACoC user?

Crackhead writing. Oda completely assassinated this character. I cant even defend Bummers anymore, not when he sinks so low. Oda is such a fucking garbage writer, he better not treat Killingham like this

 

[Doggo]

Why in the hell is Sommers crying running against ACoC Zoro when a weaker version of him was FIGHTING OLD GABAN A PIRATE LEGEND AND FACING HIM HEAD ON

Is Zoro suddenly 100x stronger than enraged Gaban? Aint this supposed to be the same n1gga who got his ass kicked by Dodger pirates countless times? Now he suddenly start chickening away from a newly minted ACoC user?

Crackhead writing. Oda completely assassinated this character. I cant even defend Bummers anymore, not when he sinks so low. Oda is such a fucking garbage writer, he better not treat Killingham like this

IMO it's because Sommers got too full of himself with the Omen boost and didnt expect Zoro to use ACoC.

But that line about "omen being the coc antithesis" kinda fell flat. but yeah.
Sommers got ruined to me very much like Kid in Wano.

 

[Albino 👑]

@Doggo @Tyki_Mikk @Fujishiro @Jackteo
Looking at the scans, it really does seem like this fight maybe has potential to be somewhat good.

ZBoys might make fun of Sanji for struggling(Even though there is a reason for it), but you know it is so far being handled more better than Zoro vs Bummers.

Zoro vs Sommers which I thought would be a good fight, ended up being a trash fight.

Zoro is cool and all, but seeing him not struggle at all against Sommers, his only problem being on how to control his CoC which is automatically fixed after a quick Mihawk flashback. And Sommers himself who is just screaming and crying the whole time, and then runs the fuck away.

That is not a good fight, that is straight up trash, even if Oda didn't want to have Zoro struggle, he could at the very least give us a decent fight between Zoro and Sommers, but nope he has to make Sommers into a complete joke.

Zoro at least somewhat struggled against King at first, but for Sommers nope nothing.

Also I still like Sommers, but this fight kind of ruined him a little bit for me.


Meanwhile Sanji who has yet to awaken his CoC is struggling against Killingham, while at the same time going through his mental problems.

Killingham is a joke as well, but so far he is not crying and screaming like Sommers was, and because of his quick regen, is giving Sanji a hard time.

The fight is already more interesting, but let's see how Oda handles the rest of the fight.

I think if we saw more of the Zoro vs Sommers fight before Zoro started to lock in with his conquerors the fight would have been a lot more interesting. We basically skipped the struggle and jumped to Zoro dominating
We know gram due to omen can counter conquerors haki but conquerors haki counters his thorns and body. Gram can only carry him so much especially when he’s not a skilled swordsman

Hopefully Sommers is running to the giants gerd especially or maybe the crew so he can try to stall longer by threatening to kill them

 

[Killerj]

So far, I only see Sanji beaten up

As expected from an awakened mythical zoan, Sanji is fighting no small fly, this guy neg diffed sleep diffed sommers already(sommers is the weakest hk).