Powers & Abilities Haki Conqueror..

[Rootbeer]

Alright, there has been many discussions on the '' Self '' in relation to Conqueror's Haki and its symbolic meaning
overall..

In this thread i will just amply '' Simplify '' and '' Solidify '' this concept, and also expand on it..


In chapter 1194, why did Zoro's memories and internal monologue specifically include Luffy at fishman island?..

As written above, Zoro states, it's that thing where Luffy knocks out a bunch of people at once.. That's fine and all, but what
makes this little moment important is not so much what is mentioned, but rather the inferred missing part.. Zoro doesn't
say that it's that thing where '' i '' knocked out a bunch of people at once in Wano.. Or neither is it, that thing where
Luffy knocked out a bunch of people at once, '' like i did ''..



Here.. We.. Go..


That is exactly what Zoro had to learn in 1194.. Zoro had to awaken base Conqueror Haki..



When i say base CoC, i mean the one we are used to, the traditional CoC that overwhelms others from the user's mind..

That's not what Zoro did in Wano.. As a CoA specialist, Zoro unlocked CoC through his Body instead of the
mind like other Conquerors do.. From Wano up to now, Zoro could not willingly make people pass out, he
didn't have such power..

You see, there are 2 distinct CoC Awakenings which augment your base CoC pool levels..

- The CoC of the Body(CoA)
- The CoC of the Mind(CoC)

So by Awakening the CoC of the mind, not only was Zoro able to finally control his CoC and Coat CoC, but
he also leveled up his CoC volume as a whole..

And by default Zoro graduated from King of Hell..


Now the Zoro shown with huge Black Lightning trails is the equivalent to Luffy vs Katakuri for Swordsmen, both
being level 2 CoC..

Have you started figuring out how to reach the level of Haki Conqueror?..

That is the Sky splitters.. Even though Luffy was applying CoC and coating himself with it, it
wasn't enough to sky split, he was lacking CoC raw power..

So i present to you, the third way of making people pass out, the lingering CoC..
The CoC that lingers..

残身 , Lingering Body.. This is obviously not CoC, but it's to give you the idea of what Lingering can be, an effect that is being carried
on independently..

Now this third CoC awakening can be observed through Big Mom who is not even in the picture..

Speed mentions that those are the ripples of Big Mom's Haki..

However that's not really precise.. The term here is 余波 Yoha, which can mean the aftermath of something,
or the after effect, the lingering effect.. For example on a windy sea, the waves that remain after the wind
has subsided.. Essentially the wave after the wave.. In other words, a unique lower
frequency extended CoC range..


The fully unconscious display of Luffy's Conqueror's Haki in Wano act 1 was an early sign of it..

Even post defeat, Kaido made the remark that Luffy kept glaring at him the whole time..
That's because Luffy was literally making his anger linger over time, resulting in his CoC
coming out.. He had to.. Or else he would have used CoC sooner..

The truth is you can't use the CoC of the Mind and the CoC of the Body at all when you're physically
unconscious.. However that sequence of event was not truly lingering CoC, but an intermediary
stage similar to unconscious CoO prior to getting Future Sight if you will..




Then, it's no coincidence that Luffy was first able to speak the Voice of All things while sinking in the
Wano sea after his rooftop defeat..

At that very instant, Luffy awakened the Lingering CoC, or what i would rename to the CoC of the Heart(CoO)..
For Luffy to have the authority to transmit his thoughts through the Voice of All Things, he had to have the capabilities
to linger his CoC across long distances above the normal CoC scope..

Note that communicating through the Voice of all things is a lone application of the CoC of the Heart.. As Luffy
was also fully physically unconscious in this scene as well..


So there you have the 3 encompassing Haki Colors in CoC latent level..

The CoC of the Mind(CoC) -- The CoC of Overwhelm..
The CoC of the Body(CoA) -- The CoC of Sacrifice..
The CoC of the Heart(CoO) -- The CoC of Linger..

All these combined form the peak of CoC potency level, the Haki Conqueror..

Defining traits, sky splitting or wifi Haki on Shanks' scale..



I didn't go over it, but the peak of Advanced CoC mixes CoC Coating Lightning on CoA Black Lightning and CoO White Lightning in one..




@Santoryu D Bazooka @Blazing Lion @nik87 @ImmaIvanoM @ShishioIsBack

 

[nik87]

 

[Blazing Lion]

I agree with you on the I and we part. Zoro never realised that he knocked out the fodders in Wano. Pretty stupid from when he answers that question from King though. Until then CoC to Zoro was fodder clearance.
Idk about the white lightening part. As far as application of CoC goes I think it's like this.
Unlocking CoC unconsciously which KOs others around you.
Controlled CoC which leaves others unaffected from KO blast.
Passive aura which saves from hax (I think this is the lingering or linked to it).
Active coating (offensive and defensive)
Offensive coating (for attacks only)
DF nullification via WiFi
Haki beams
Duo sky split
Solo sky split
For CoO (it's FS killing and/or FS projection)
I think VoAT and BoAT maybe or may not be attached to CoC (since the VoAT seems hereditary).

The difference in strength determines who gets KOed and who doesn't unless the user chooses to save some. We saw Ray choose to knock out some in the auction house but not all. We can also see that Shanks hurts even his crew when he is focusing on an opponent (maybe it's his power is too overwhelming, I won't go and say it's a skill issue since he can WiFi diff an Admiral from miles away).
Idk if we have seen anyone in canon KO a VA (not Maynard level) except JB. In the films I think Shanks is shown as greatly affecting Momonga, top tier VA. But in canon his haki is compared to JBs with ambiguity about whose is stronger. So maybe in the KO burst there are levels to how much you want to exert the difference in power level.

 

[centurion]

The CoC of the Mind(CoC) -- The CoC of Overwhelm..
The CoC of the Body(CoA) -- The CoC of Sacrifice..
The CoC of the Heart(CoO) -- The CoC of Linger..

There are 3 types of CoC now?

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

So you basically gave up on the idea that Zoro "never used AdvCoC in Wano" and confirmed that he did indeed used it by saying he leveled it up.

""As a CoA specialist, Zoro unlocked CoC through his Body instead of the
mind like other Conquerors do.. From Wano up to now, Zoro could not willingly make people pass out, he
didn't have such power.. ""

LOL there is no such thing that he didn't have such power when you see it on panel they got knocked out. The dude had no idea he had that power there is a difference here. The only reason it worked in Wano because when he applied his Haki to his swords CoC was applied to the swords too which caused that burst at the time.

anyway ..

in terms of the "new" things you introduced here

The CoC of the Mind(CoC) -- The CoC of Overwhelm..
The CoC of the Body(CoA) -- The CoC of Sacrifice..
The CoC of the Heart(CoO) -- The CoC of Linger..

Its untrue and you know it. Because if CoC had different types then Gaban would have addressed it in that Chapter where he scolded Zoro and said something in terms of how different etc but no he treated it the same way. Or Roger and Garp would have said something during their fight vs Reversed Rox.

What you should instead focus on is the "Mass" thing that Oda introduced. And if you reread Kuma flashback you will also see VP say that the soul has a "Mass" when it leaves the body losses that extra "Mass".

And since the "Mass" thing is an actual term that Oda uses. Maybe it could be the difference on how strong the CoC is. Because of we go back to Ray's words. CoC cannot be trained but it grows with the user's own Strength. And if combine everything with Mihawk's words then we get the conclusion that the "Spirit" Aka "Soul" of the user and how strong it is. Is the answer on how strong the CoC is.

Which what makes Luffy the Conquerer of Conquerers.

 

[Devilbat]

We need your haki scholarship advice @Rootbeer, are those sparks just Sanji's cig bits, or is it someting bigger?

One thing i see no one mentions is these dust/sparks are back again, these are used by oda only for most hitting and important moments
Im pretty sure Sanji has awakend CoC and next panel will show it.

Check this out if you are confused:
https://x.com/sandman_ap/status/1936899489090130026?s=46

 

[soheilhazrat]

We need your haki scholarship advice @Rootbeer, are those sparks just Sanji's cig bits, or is it someting bigger?

Those are not Haki sparks for sure, oda uses them in important moments
Previous chapter it was for gunkos moment
Im just assuming its for sanji's CoC this time

 

[Devilbat]

Those are not Haki sparks for sure, oda uses them in important moments
Previous chapter it was for gunkos moment
Im just assuming its for sanji's CoC this time

it is an important moment for Sanji. so.....might be? I still want to see absolutely undeniable proof, but these sparks could be something important

 

[mly90]

What is your take going to be when sanji unlock adcoc we know all this cope was to hold lines until your boy could catch up

 

[Rootbeer]

I agree with you on the I and we part. Zoro never realised that he knocked out the fodders in Wano. Pretty stupid from when he answers that question from King though. Until then CoC to Zoro was fodder clearance.
Idk about the white lightening part. As far as application of CoC goes I think it's like this.
Unlocking CoC unconsciously which KOs others around you.
Controlled CoC which leaves others unaffected from KO blast.
Passive aura which saves from hax (I think this is the lingering or linked to it).
Active coating (offensive and defensive)
Offensive coating (for attacks only)
DF nullification via WiFi
Haki beams
Duo sky split
Solo sky split
For CoO (it's FS killing and/or FS projection)
I think VoAT and BoAT maybe or may not be attached to CoC (since the VoAT seems hereditary).

The difference in strength determines who gets KOed and who doesn't unless the user chooses to save some. We saw Ray choose to knock out some in the auction house but not all. We can also see that Shanks hurts even his crew when he is focusing on an opponent (maybe it's his power is too overwhelming, I won't go and say it's a skill issue since he can WiFi diff an Admiral from miles away).
Idk if we have seen anyone in canon KO a VA (not Maynard level) except JB. In the films I think Shanks is shown as greatly affecting Momonga, top tier VA. But in canon his haki is compared to JBs with ambiguity about whose is stronger. So maybe in the KO burst there are levels to how much you want to exert the difference in power level.

It's not just that Zoro never realised that he knocked out the fodders in Wano.. I'm claiming that Zoro was CoC Braindead the whole time and he can't actually make people pass out.. Only once on accident when he awakened the CoC of the body.. There are no conscious or unconscious use of CoC when you're CoC braindead.. That's why Zoro was passively leaking CoC, Rayleigh never stated that Luffy was leaking CoC.. You're only leaking CoC when you awake CoC through your Body while also not having the CoC of the Mind awakened..

Also when base CoC is used there are no Black lightning sparks with it..

The selective use of CoC was mentioned, but was it ever shown in the series i don't think so.. Rayleigh knocked out all the bad guys on panel at the auction..

I can go in the White Lightning if you want, i missed it this small visual trait when Advanced CoC is used, one side white lightning contour along side Black lightning..

There are 3 types of CoC now?

Yes sort of.. According to what i'm presenting..

So you basically gave up on the idea that Zoro "never used AdvCoC in Wano" and confirmed that he did indeed used it by saying he leveled it up.

""As a CoA specialist, Zoro unlocked CoC through his Body instead of the
mind like other Conquerors do.. From Wano up to now, Zoro could not willingly make people pass out, he
didn't have such power.. ""

LOL there is no such thing that he didn't have such power when you see it on panel they got knocked out. The dude had no idea he had that power there is a difference here. The only reason it worked in Wano because when he applied his Haki to his swords CoC was applied to the swords too which caused that burst at the time.

anyway ..

in terms of the "new" things you introduced here

The CoC of the Mind(CoC) -- The CoC of Overwhelm..
The CoC of the Body(CoA) -- The CoC of Sacrifice..
The CoC of the Heart(CoO) -- The CoC of Linger..

Its untrue and you know it. Because if CoC had different types then Gaban would have addressed it in that Chapter where he scolded Zoro and said something in terms of how different etc but no he treated it the same way. Or Roger and Garp would have said something during their fight vs Reversed Rox.

What you should instead focus on is the "Mass" thing that Oda introduced. And if you reread Kuma flashback you will also see VP say that the soul has a "Mass" when it leaves the body losses that extra "Mass".

And since the "Mass" thing is an actual term that Oda uses. Maybe it could be the difference on how strong the CoC is. Because of we go back to Ray's words. CoC cannot be trained but it grows with the user's own Strength. And if combine everything with Mihawk's words then we get the conclusion that the "Spirit" Aka "Soul" of the user and how strong it is. Is the answer on how strong the CoC is.

Which what makes Luffy the Conquerer of Conquerers.

Not at all, i'm saying Zoro was CoC Braindead so he could not have possibly unconsciously or consciously used Advanced CoC at all..
He leveled up his CoC in Elbaph because Zoro couldn't use Advanced CoC at all.. And relied on Enma for that..

- No close up glare on Zoro's eyes..
- Black lightning sparks release along side CoC wave..
- Passively leaking CoC, which base CoC Luffy never did..

Everything points at Zoro unlocking the CoC of the Body before the CoC of the Mind like other Conqueror characters..

Why would Oda introduce CoC concepts he doesn't want to be disclosed yet..

Yes Mass is important but that was not part of my topic this time around..

That's what i addressed in this thread on how CoC grows specifically through 3 stages.. Gaban may only have the CoC of the Mind, but he can use Maximum Mass too or something..

We need your haki scholarship advice @Rootbeer, are those sparks just Sanji's cig bits, or is it someting bigger?

I don't think this suggest anything in particular.. So they may be just Sanji's cig bits, they may not even be cig bits and simply a visual effect to add depth and seriousness, cause we can see a similar panel with Ivankov..

I'm ready with anything with Sanji, if he gets lightning it will be White Lightning or White flames..

What is your take going to be when sanji unlock adcoc we know all this cope was to hold lines until your boy could catch up

Well with what i presented, Sanji would awaken the CoC of the Heart which it's raw power would be above Zoro's CoC of the Body Wano one.. I'm predicting that Sanji will either make some Giants pass out from afar where Zaza is or his CoC will literally cancel Zaza..

 

[zzShinichi]

 

[humanbeing2022]

I think having coc is the key to advanced haki techniques.
For example if you have CoC haki and use it with CoO you get future sight , oberservation killing or overwhelming people from far away or else how do you think shanks can attack green bull from that far
Those techniques are all basic CoO traits powered up with CoC. That is why all know future sight till now are CoC haki user.
CoC coating is mere CoA powered up with CoC haki .
I think Sanji first use of CoC will be future sight that why he told Killingham that he will not take hits anymore.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Alright, there has been many discussions on the '' Self '' in relation to Conqueror's Haki and its symbolic meaning
overall..

In this thread i will just amply '' Simplify '' and '' Solidify '' this concept, and also expand on it..


In chapter 1194, why did Zoro's memories and internal monologue specifically include Luffy at fishman island?..

As written above, Zoro states, it's that thing where Luffy knocks out a bunch of people at once.. That's fine and all, but what
makes this little moment important is not so much what is mentioned, but rather the inferred missing part.. Zoro doesn't
say that it's that thing where '' i '' knocked out a bunch of people at once in Wano.. Or neither is it, that thing where
Luffy knocked out a bunch of people at once, '' like i did ''..



Here.. We.. Go..


That is exactly what Zoro had to learn in 1194.. Zoro had to awaken base Conqueror Haki..



When i say base CoC, i mean the one we are used to, the traditional CoC that overwhelms others from the user's mind..

That's not what Zoro did in Wano.. As a CoA specialist, Zoro unlocked CoC through his Body instead of the
mind like other Conquerors do.. From Wano up to now, Zoro could not willingly make people pass out, he
didn't have such power..

You see, there are 2 distinct CoC Awakenings which augment your base CoC pool levels..

- The CoC of the Body(CoA)
- The CoC of the Mind(CoC)

So by Awakening the CoC of the mind, not only was Zoro able to finally control his CoC and Coat CoC, but
he also leveled up his CoC volume as a whole..

And by default Zoro graduated from King of Hell..


Now the Zoro shown with huge Black Lightning trails is the equivalent to Luffy vs Katakuri for Swordsmen, both
being level 2 CoC..

Have you started figuring out how to reach the level of Haki Conqueror?..

That is the Sky splitters.. Even though Luffy was applying CoC and coating himself with it, it
wasn't enough to sky split, he was lacking CoC raw power..

So i present to you, the third way of making people pass out, the lingering CoC..
The CoC that lingers..

残身 , Lingering Body.. This is obviously not CoC, but it's to give you the idea of what Lingering can be, an effect that is being carried
on independently..

Now this third CoC awakening can be observed through Big Mom who is not even in the picture..

Speed mentions that those are the ripples of Big Mom's Haki..

However that's not really precise.. The term here is 余波 Yoha, which can mean the aftermath of something,
or the after effect, the lingering effect.. For example on a windy sea, the waves that remain after the wind
has subsided.. Essentially the wave after the wave.. In other words, a unique lower
frequency extended CoC range..


The fully unconscious display of Luffy's Conqueror's Haki in Wano act 1 was an early sign of it..

Even post defeat, Kaido made the remark that Luffy kept glaring at him the whole time..
That's because Luffy was literally making his anger linger over time, resulting in his CoC
coming out.. He had to.. Or else he would have used CoC sooner..

The truth is you can't use the CoC of the Mind and the CoC of the Body at all when you're physically
unconscious.. However that sequence of event was not truly lingering CoC, but an intermediary
stage similar to unconscious CoO prior to getting Future Sight if you will..




Then, it's no coincidence that Luffy was first able to speak the Voice of All things while sinking in the
Wano sea after his rooftop defeat..

At that very instant, Luffy awakened the Lingering CoC, or what i would rename to the CoC of the Heart(CoO)..
For Luffy to have the authority to transmit his thoughts through the Voice of All Things, he had to have the capabilities
to linger his CoC across long distances above the normal CoC scope..

Note that communicating through the Voice of all things is a lone application of the CoC of the Heart.. As Luffy
was also fully physically unconscious in this scene as well..


So there you have the 3 encompassing Haki Colors in CoC latent level..

The CoC of the Mind(CoC) -- The CoC of Overwhelm..
The CoC of the Body(CoA) -- The CoC of Sacrifice..
The CoC of the Heart(CoO) -- The CoC of Linger..

All these combined form the peak of CoC potency level, the Haki Conqueror..

Defining traits, sky splitting or wifi Haki on Shanks' scale..



I didn't go over it, but the peak of Advanced CoC mixes CoC Coating Lightning on CoA Black Lightning and CoO White Lightning in one..




@Santoryu D Bazooka @Blazing Lion @nik87 @ImmaIvanoM @ShishioIsBack

stussy is a conqueror

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Not at all, i'm saying Zoro was CoC Braindead so he could not have possibly unconsciously or consciously used Advanced CoC at all..
He leveled up his CoC in Elbaph because Zoro couldn't use Advanced CoC at all.. And relied on Enma for that..

- No close up glare on Zoro's eyes..
- Black lightning sparks release along side CoC wave..
- Passively leaking CoC, which base CoC Luffy never did..

Everything points at Zoro unlocking the CoC of the Body before the CoC of the Mind like other Conqueror characters..

Why would Oda introduce CoC concepts he doesn't want to be disclosed yet..

Yes Mass is important but that was not part of my topic this time around..

That's what i addressed in this thread on how CoC grows specifically through 3 stages.. Gaban may only have the CoC of the Mind, but he can use Maximum Mass too or something..

So you just invented stuff that "will never be addressed or referred to" by Oda just to tell us Zoro never actually used AdvCoC in Wano ?

Man its not even worth pulling up the panels to showcase anything...

but let me just debunk this whole thing using your own 3 bullet points

- No close up glare on Zoro's eyes..
Because every AdvCoC coated attacks/panels for all characters that we have seen is the same we only seen black lighting around their fist/weapons. And never once we saw Glares when they used AdvCoC.

- Black lightning sparks release along side CoC wave..
Isn't that what happened when Roger and WB clashed using AdvCoC ? isn't that what happened during BM vs Law and Kid? it was implied that her CoC was used multiple times in her fight with them which every normal reader would understand that means she used some AdvCoC against Kid and Law since normal CoC would do nothing to them.

- Passively leaking CoC, which base CoC Luffy never did..
Pre-time skip Luffy was leaking CoC without knowing against Duval Bull. And if you meant what Luffy said to Zoro about him oozing it then just go back to egghead with his fight vs Lucci. There were panels with Zoro "oozing" black lighting with some of his attacks and guess who was watching him and offering to help ? G5 Luffy.


If anything you just shot yourself in the foot .. by claiming that CoC of the body or whatever is different and applied it to Zoro.. because what you have described was "AdvCoC" and nothing more.

Cook better next time

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

You sure put lots of your thoughts into it. It was an interesting read- just not enough to say I'm convinced.

 

[Terra Arseid7]