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[HA001]

And that means nothing that haki is no longer there... we know because when Zoro used shusui on Monet without haki it did nothing more than freak her out because she was scared

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There is really no reason why Shusui should be the superior sword apart from it's cultural value... Having a sword that got black because some else pour haki into it is not gona make Zoro stronger or weaker if he picks a sword that hasn't be turned black...

Go read thriller bark again

 

[Haku]

Go read thriller bark again

I asure you there is nothing on Thriller Bark that said o affirms Shusui is stronger than Enma because we just got introduce to Enma...

 

[HA001]

I asure you there is nothing on Thriller Bark that said o affirms Shusui is stronger than Enma because we just got introduce to Enma...

It does. Its shows it made him stronger.
Why on earth is enma a better sword ?

 

[Zowo]

Can t wait God of hell(enma)+ asura combo for his ultimate move

 

[Haku]

It does. Its shows it made him stronger.
Why on earth is enma a better sword ?

It didn't tho, all that we saw is that the sword was durable. That doesn't mean that is stronger than all swords that we don't know about yet

I am saying that we don't know yet... I have not once said one is stronger or the correct word better than the other...

 

[IceAgeKuzan]

Enma could easily give Zoro the same boost to strength that Shusui did. That seems to be the implication there, as Zoro accepted it based on it being the same calibur.

To the original post, pretty sure Zoro made Pica look like a joke. Sure, he got help, but he cut Pica's giant form clean in half, so...yeah. That's pretty friiggin strong, and he made it seem like nothing. So chances are good that's a heavy implciaiton to not seeing all of his strength and skills yet.

 

[nik87]

It didn't tho, all that we saw is that the sword was durable. That doesn't mean that is stronger than all swords that we don't know about yet

I am saying that we don't know yet... I have not once said one is stronger or the correct word better than the other...

Hardness is one of the characteristics of a black blade... That's the main characteristic and haki was never there and since Enma is most likely not a black blade it cannot match the hardness of Shusui.
Swords are just pieces of metal and if you expect some powerup from it I dont know if you will see Oda deliver on it, it was a one time thing with Shusui and never occurred again

 

[Aknolagon]

Unless Oda shows something magical with Enma, enma is inferior than Shuusui. Permanent black blade >>>> any sword. the WSS has a blake blade, you don't need a better proof.

 

[Haku]

Hardness is one of the characteristics of a black blade... That's the main characteristic and haki was never there and since Enma is most likely not a black blade it cannot match the hardness of Shusui.
Swords are just pieces of metal and if you expect some powerup from it I dont know if you will see Oda deliver on it, it was a one time thing with Shusui and never occurred again

I mean yes, but there is nothing saying Enma can't be as hard or harder (durable) black or not black (Material it was made of, if it has abilities which I doubt it has, etc). All we know is Shusui is a pretty good sword if not one of the best. But there is nothing to said Enma can't be equal. By saying enma will be this or that you are only jumping to conclusions we don't really have the answer too. When we see Enma and we see her in action or mostlikely/better if Zoro performs any different we then can reach conclusions... about power-up or no that is not what I was discussing I was discussing why Shusui would be superior to Enma while we don't have almost any info on Enma.

My personal beilive Zoro will have both by the end of wano... but let's see how that goes.

 

[nik87]

I mean yes, but there is nothing saying Enma can't be as hard or harder (durable) black or not black (Material it was made of, if it has abilities which I doubt it has, etc). All we know is Shusui is a pretty good sword if not one of the best. But there is nothing to said Enma can't be equal. By saying enma will be this or that you are only jumping to conclusions we don't really have the answer too. When we see Enma and we see her in action or mostlikely/better if Zoro performs any different we then can reach conclusions... about power-up or no that is not what I was discussing I was discussing why Shusui would be superior to Enma while we don't have almost any info on Enma.
My personal beilive Zoro will have both by the end of wano... but let's see how that goes.

Yes, Enma can be as good, because imo all swords are equal and 4th grade Sandai performs the same as 2nd grade black blade Shusui.
Aside from one moment to hype Shusui up it never did anything better than other two swords.
My point is that those who expect Enma to be a power-up for Zoro are heading in the wrong direction most likely and they forgot that Zoro is currently powered down to 2 swords so going back to 3 is power-up sure but nothing better than he was with 3 blades before.
If the hardness of the blade ever becomes relevant I expect Shusui to be superior than Enma because black blades seem to be the rarest.

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Zoro training and biggest achievement was coating his sword in CoA that's why he was happy to finally do it at DR. he showed improved skills + a new signature move.

OMG lol...

You can't be serious here

 

[Inspector_Mu]

OMG lol...

You can't be serious here

I'm serious... prove to me that Zoro training was about him creating a new mode? Or doing something else as luffy did

 

[nik87]

>Zoro has shown everything
>Zoro didnt show Asura
Automatically makes your statement wrong.

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

why give Sanji and Zoro new stuff prior big fights if they didnt show everything yet, if they were strong already to beat commanders?

Simply because the opponents they are about to face are too strong to beat without PUs and it would be asspull to unlock abilities during the fight every time. Or maybe one PU simply would not be enough and multiple ones will look absurd.

Just look at how impossible Luffy fights looked in WCI arc, that too with G4 new modes and FS. Zoro n Sanji to take on King n Queen won't make no sense without PUs, even after going all out.

As for Sanji, Rs provide Durability n defnse boost, bt we all know he still has to progress on offensive side to be able to deal deadly blows to Calamities and that imo is reserved during the fight. Sanji will show Hardening mixed with new attack style. It could also result into new fire colour or it could be advance version of HM, or something. His CoO also needs to make an upgrade here, it is time being CoO specialist provided him much needed benefit/advantage during the fight.

Same for Zoro, it wouldn't make sense if he just went on to match King after the opponents he's been facing so far. So a sword upgrade added to his hype especially since it was mentioned it is the only sword that injured Kaidou and now rest Oda can fill up with Zoro goin all out or using Ashura technique that we might see finally have some type of upgrade.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Simply because the opponents they are about to face are too strong to beat without PUs and it would be asspull to unlock abilities during the fight every time. Or maybe one PU simply would not be enough and multiple ones will look absurd.

Just look at how impossible Luffy fights looked in WCI arc, that too with G4 new modes and FCi. Zoro n Sanji to take on King n Queen won't make no sense without PUs, even after going all out.

As for Sanji, Rs provide Durability n defnse boost, bt we all know he still has to progress on offensive side to be able to deal deadly blows to Calamities and that imo is reserved during the fight. Sanji will show Hardening mixed with new attack style. It could be new fire colour because of Hardening or some advance version of HM, or something. His CoO also needs to make an upgrade here, it is time being CoO provided him much needed benefit during the fights.

Same for Zoro, it wouldn't make sense if he just went on to match King after the opponents he's been facing so far. So a sword upgrade added to his hype especially since it was mentioned it is the only sword that injured Kaidou and now rest Oda can fill up with Zoro goin all out or using Ashura technique that we might see finally have some type of upgrade.

Like you said even if they went all out, they wouldn't defeat commanders... so they needed something new and stronger

 

[Yo Tan Wa]

Youve been proven wrong so put the shovel down. Enma is a downgrade. You are not that thick that you think the first thing mihawk taught zoro was all he taught him for 2 years. Admit you are wrong instead of tunnelling your head.

To be fair, the TS was mostly about Haki training, Luffy also only had had Basic Haki training during the 1 n half years and figured G4 later on.
If Mihawk had taught Zoro more he would have taught him stuff like how to cut fire or other things he didn't.
Bt yes Zoro could have something figured out on his own or his Will/Ashura definetly coukd have gotten upgraded /stronger fighting/training for 2 years.

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Like you said even if they went all out, they wouldn't defeat commanders... so they needed something new and stronger

Yeah that is true. The gap they need to jump to beat King n Queen is huge at this stage so they do needed PUs. Bt at the same time, they currently haven't gone all out.
It's {All out +PUs} that will let em beat Calamities.

 

[Aknolagon]

OMG lol...

You can't be serious here

The thing, he is always serious bro

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Oda may be is planning to make zoro cutting kaido but hey zoro needs PU for king haha! When you people are gonna realize that zoro is already around yc1 lvl ? Lol

 

[ShadyOjiro]

.....wew

I want to say this is the peak of Ndule trolling threads but unfortunately I know he can surpass himself in a day or so.

wew

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Somehow this persists but my scientifically backed up threads are moved.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Somehow this persists but my scientifically backed up threads are moved.

Lol scientific nonsense
This is Manga not some headcanons

I'm writing from Oda's point of view.
Come back with arguments

As of now your theories and headcanons are dead.

If zoro didnt go all out then sanji also didnt... yet Ofa doesn't care, he showed us that both need a new gear in order to battle stronger dudes and possibly wins.