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Haoshoku
It never was decisive portrayal to begin with, been arguing that since 2016. It couldn’t have been made any clearer with the recent events in chapter 980 that Oda doesn’t know how to hype another character up while not completely trashing on the hypetool in the process.
Finalbeta
Finalbeta
It was a real shame since he was impressing me a lot till that moment lol
Finalbeta
Finalbeta
Either way we can safely assume no YC4 would be able to perform what Apoo did honestly
Cinera
Cinera
@LANJI CUCKSMOKE I agree that they didn't fight that much before Gamma Knife. However:
* The two attacks Luffy landed before Gamma Knife were effortlessly blocked and dodged.
* Doflamingo stated that what he did was not healing.
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
I don’t think the parasite scene ever had me thinking Doflamingo was stronger than Jozu, it just was good proof that Doffy was in that YC range. I don’t think Doffy can parasite people that he’s clearly below like Kaido or Fujitora lol. But yeah, that scene alone proves nothing about Doffy vs Jozu.
Cinera
Cinera
@Haoshoku: I agree now. I didn't think Oda would have had Doffy humiliate someone he was stronger than, but I was evidently wrong about what Oda is willing to depict for hype scenes.
Finalbeta
Finalbeta
Never judge a fight until you see more. Doffy v Jozu was similar scenario as Sanji v Page One
Cinera
Cinera
> I don’t think Doffy can parasite people that he’s clearly below like Kaido or Fujitora lol.

@Admiral Lee Hung: would you have ever believed that a low high tier could knock out a low top tier (let alone one on guard) before last chapter?
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Haoshoku
@comrade When has Doffy ever used parasite on a completely on guard Luffy or Law in the midst of combat? Iirc the only instance is when Luffy was weakened, but he went on to break out of it anyway with G4. That’s why I don’t really see Doflamingo using parasite on a completely on guard YC level character in combat since its implied he needs some sort of window to put it to use.
Elder Lee Hung
Elder Lee Hung
@Cinera yes because I don’t subscribe to the “tier” system anymore lol. Sugar could pimp smack Kaido into a toy and it wouldn’t surprise me. I guess Apoo is just that hax that Luffy’s durability isn’t ultra effective against him.

What surprised me was the fact that FS was useless against Apoo. That would be like finding out that Kinemon can cut Kaido.
comrade
comrade
@Haoshoku no it just means Oda doesn't want to end all fights like this. The fact that Sanji couldn't react to the slightest to parasite, despite being able to dodge Katakuri's shot off guard, tells you how fast and unpredictable parasite is. All it implies is that it's PIS, which we witness all the time in OP.
Sentinel
Sentinel
Let's face it:
* Doflamingo's feats easily put him on the YC range, like easily
* He effortlessly cuts meteors like it's nothing; his birdcage, inferior to his awakening strings, cut through meteors worth of mountains AND absorbing huge amount of its kinetic energy in which pieces of these meteors did not deal that much of collateral damage on the environment, making his AP at least mountain level, if not island-
Sentinel
Sentinel
level for stopping the kinetic energy of a moving mountain sized meteor at around mach 1-2.
* Luffy NEEDED Bound Man to beat Post-GK Doflamingo, who's arguably mortally wounded and endured one of the most lethal techniques just by stiching his organs together!
* Doffy's Awakening suddenly turned the tables and he matched Bound Man for 20 minutes before Doflamingo could not match Bound Man anymore because of his huge-
comrade
comrade
The citizens were more impressed by the shockwave and dust cloud generated from flap thread as compared to Leo Bazooka, which sent Doffy into the mountain akin to flap thread sending Luffy into the mountain. With Luffy post flap threas shaking and being barely conscious, needing a Rayleigh flashback where Rayleigh too tells him that he "barely made it through". And that's not even God thread :kappa:
Finalbeta
Finalbeta
Healthy Doffy >> Cracker > GK'ed Doffy

Cracker was also incapable of dealing with G4 but he put better resistance than GK'ed Doffy, however Healthy Doffy was doing much better against G2/G3 Luffy than GK'ed Doffy could manage
Sentinel
Sentinel
injuries (that's why Bound Man easily dodged threads worth of towns, broke through two strings and managed to hit Doflamingo; healthy Doflamingo would have easily dodged this attack tho or at least trying to pull more strings to protect himself from that Leo Bazooka. Hence Doffy's reactions also failed, not purely his awakening
* parasiting Jozu does not say Doffy > Jozu
* Doffy's versatility with his awakening-
comrade
comrade
Doffy not only ate GK, he only activated awakening after being sent flying by boundman 3 times, until he was lying on the floor and shaking. While Cracker, while 100% healthy, used his max abilities. And note that Doffy wasn't "stalling" boundman. He was attacking. He could've used Cracker's tactics too; shielding himself from all sides with awakening until G4 runs out.
Sentinel
Sentinel
, does support the statement of Doffy beating Jozu based on his feats.

Therefore, Doffy is still extremely powerful among the high tiers with one of the best shown feats in OP bar top tiers.
Sentinel
Sentinel
> The citizens were more impressed by the shockwave and dust cloud generated from flap thread as compared to Leo Bazooka, which sent Doffy into the mountain akin to flap thread sending Luffy into the mountain.

That's not right, tho. It was a spamming attack which pushed and pierced Luffy consistently until these attacks pushed him on a mountain, leaving huge collateral damage on the environment. But: base Luffy's-
Sentinel
Sentinel
hardening at least protected him from a few hits. I'm sure a single Leo Bazooka would have fucked Luffy up WAY MORE with a single hit.
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