Cinera> Sugar could pimp smack Kaido into a toy and it wouldn’t surprise me.
If haki cannot block hax abilities like Sugar's, then yeah, the tier system is less appealing. I think Full Body Hardening (or barrier haki) would have stopped Apoo's ability. But we did witness a fodder shut down Oden's offense with the Barrier fruit.
comradeYeah, but when flap thread shot Luffy into the mountain, it created a shockwave the size of the mountain. With citizens pointing out the huge sound. When Leo Bazooka sent Doffy into the same mountain, there were less reactions. Yes, a single hit of Leo Bazooka is > a single hit from flap thread, but the point of flap thread is that it's a gatling of a huge amount of strings ("1000 arrows").
SentinelWell, powerlevels in OP are bullshit anyway lol.
Sentinel@comrade True but at the end, it's nothing different than Luffy's Elephant Gatling Gun in which he destroyed a significant part of an island sized ship, that attack was even more devastating than flap threads on the environment if you ask me.
Sure, Doflamingo's spamming attack, keep in mind that his flap threads are rather smaller strings compared to his building sized awakening threads, hence less raw and-
CineraMan, seeing @Sentinel defending Doflamingo as YC 2+ character makes me all warm and fuzzy.
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Sentinelpenetration strength, which makes Doflamingo's awakening even more powerful. He could have done this with his hardening Pillaw White which he - for a reason lol - did not even use against Bound Man.
comradeWell. In case of both Leo Bazooka and Flap Thread, it was collateral damage. Leo Bazooka propelled Doffy's body into the mountain, Flap Thread propelled Luffy's body into the mountain. I mean it's not far fetched to say that Doffy's higher end moves are in the boundman range (bar KKG). Katakuri's Zangiri Mochi is too (though Doffy's awakening is much more spammable).
comradeThe strings are quite nasty. In base, they are extremely sharp (Doffy's clone cut Bobby Funk's back, which is harder than a pacifista). At the same time they are insanely tough. Jozu has humongous physical strength and could not rip apart some invisible strings. With a huger layer of strings just blocking a double culverin without being scratched.
Sentinel@comrade I don't really know. On the one hand, you are right that both attacks left huge collateral damage but on the other hand, Luffy was crashed into the mountain by lots of upcoming strings (hence spamming attack) in which the attack itself was comparable but the flap threads individually not that much.
On the other hand, half dead Mingo cracking a huge part of the mountain just by using his raw body strength-
Sentinelto break out is definitely impressive as well. Man, DD truly was a fucking monster and I kinda understand why people put him that high to be honest.
Cinera@Sentinel yeah, DD did more damage to the mountain by mere flexing than Luffy did with his Leo Bazooka.
CineraThis feat is fucking impressive. Just by flexing, Doffy could crush the face of the mountain. It's a hell of a physical strength feat.
FinalbetaI also agree with the list, Hancock might be stronger than Jinbe but that's a big if and I place Jinbe YC2.5 level so it's not quite likely in my opinion
Cinera@Admiral Lee Hung I'm not convinced Doffy is weaker than Prime Kuma. I'd place Hancock over Jimbe as well. I do think Weevil is above Doffy.
Where would you place Yami Teach?
Elder Lee HungHody’s Island Level Water shot being “novice fishman karate” to jinbe has me shook lol @critical mindset . Hancock one shotting Pacifista doesn’t mean she had that level of hype imo.
Yami Teach was probably stronger than Doffy, not sure how he’d fair against weevil or prime Kuma. But he’s in the upper echelon of warlords needless to say.
CineraHmm. I think Hancock has superior hype to Jinbe.
Elder Lee HungThe only hype Hancock really has is that Sengoku viewed her strength in a high light, but I think Sengoku probably thinks the same thing of pretty much every pre TS Warlord (Moriah is questionable)
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If haki cannot block hax abilities like Sugar's, then yeah, the tier system is less appealing. I think Full Body Hardening (or barrier haki) would have stopped Apoo's ability. But we did witness a fodder shut down Oden's offense with the Barrier fruit.