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Red Admiral

@ShishioIsBack ... when I see people go from "CoC is fodder control" to "Zoro and Mihawk are greatest CoC users of all times"
I simply lose my interest in an argument

I fight so many years for CoC
and now people want to turn the table to avoid Shanks Greatness?

moments like this really hurt me with disappointment
what's the point of arguing if people NEVER gonna acknowledge each other?

ShishioIsBack

Well CoC seemed like fodder control because of the way Oda portrayed it through Rayleigh "Force you will on weak opponents".

But now we have Zoro..the ultimate swordsman using Adv CoC as his strongest attack..I have changed my mind

I always change my mind with updated info @Red Admiral

ShishioIsBack

But you must understand that Zoro having advanced CoC destroys the notion that CoC is not allowed in WSS duel hence why Shanks CoC argument is null and void

Red Admiral

creating a god mode is it's OWN power just like DF ...
it's not PART OF swordsmanship ...

Red Admiral

as I said before Mihawk > CoCless Shanks
CoC Shanks > Mihawk

it's obvious mate ... but you are free to ignore it once more

ShishioIsBack

Zoro is the only one who can create a God Mode. Shanks having it is nothing but a fan fiction

But Zoros God Mod would be allowed in WSS duel hence part of swordsmanship.

ShishioIsBack

No Mihawk > Shanks in every stat including CoC and this chapter basically confirms it.

Zoro Mihawks student showed advanced CoC well before any signs of it from Shanks.

I really don't get the obsession with Shanks > Mihawk. Like I am even willing to give Zoros hype to him since he doesn't have any of his own and put him in top 2

Red Admiral

Zoro is a mid tier CoC user as of now ... what Shanks can do with it ... it not really a threat for Shanks fandom :)

ShishioIsBack

If Zoro is a mid tier CoC user af of now..then Shanks is a low tier CoC user of now because Shanks hasn't even shown adv CoC. Its your assumption that he has it.

Red Admiral

I have no probelm with Zoro hype (now)
but to me Mihawk is a freeloaders eating from other's hype ... while never did anything himself even when he had the chance

that's why I'm Ok with statement like Big Mom/Kaido > Shanks but not Mihawk > Shanks

Red Admiral

lol ... me calling Zoro a mid tier is something even you can agree deep down
unlike Shanks's CoC being low tier

you want to wait? be my guest ... we got half of it right , we will get another of this story as well

Red Admiral

forget about it @ShishioIsBack ...
Today after so many years of fighting ... I expected people to be fair enough to respect Shanks ... and I got disappointed ...
idk ... Mihawk > Shanks , Shanks > Mihawk ... I can't care about it anymore today ... I'm done for now

enjoy Zoro's hype

ShishioIsBack

@Red Admiral You are getting it the wrong way..I respect Shansk and his CoC hence why I have him in top 2

Red Admiral

I guess that's good too ... thanks for playing fair

ShishioIsBack

But I definitely don't agree with Zoro having mid tier CoC..he has best CoC feat in the series yet. He fucked most durable character in the series with CoC alone. Probably a top tier CoC user @Red Admiral

ShishioIsBack

And today I expect you to give up on Hakimanship disqualifies you from WSS argument because Zoro has shown literaly a mode made of CoC and he would use far more advanced version of that form with Mihawk and beat him with i.

If Shanks can beat Mihawk with his CoC mode..that should make him WSS

ShishioIsBack

Although at least I admit you were right about power or CoC and I was wrong. Its interesting tho how CoC sparks look just like CoA sparks @Red

comrade

@Red Admiral while advanced CoC is a thing (I always was a proponent of it), something like "god mode" is still up to debate. But even then, Zoro already displayed the ability to manifest a deity. If Shanks will use adv.CoC, he will channel it through his blade. He most likely won't shoot lasers with it. Wapons are always more effective than going bare handed. That's why 99% of the people, including top tiers, use it

Seraphoenix

If people are just going to outright ignore that Shanks has the best conquerors haki hype then it’s not a discussion worth having imo. The hype from Jozu shits on anything anyone alive has shown so far.

Mihawk and Shanks represent the pinnacle of the current era. Easily able to compete with the likes of Roger and WB from the previous era. We even have the parallel of rivals with one being a World’s Strongest.

ShishioIsBack

@Red Admiral

You think Hiryu Kiren is also CoC?