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comrade

I'd say Poison Fruit is solid S, beneath the S+ DFs.

Cinera

@comrade: the poison fruit is nerfed by being a Paramecia. If it was logia, I would elevate it to Admiral Class.

Haoshoku

Would have to reread the series tbh, so many fruits out there. The Ope Ope No Mi would be up there with the Gura/Yami tho.

Cinera

@Haoshoku: I think too many restrictions were applied to the Ope to place it that high.

TheKnightOfTheSea

The Smoke, Mud and Snow fruits are kind of trash for Logias. Their users are pretty weak.

comrade

@Cinera I think even if Poison was a Logia, the top class Logias would still edge it out. Poison has S+ lethality but lacks everything else. Magma can still blow your head off with one attack, while at the same time breach defenses much easier and has much higher DC.

Cinera

@comrade: I would add an extra class between Admiral Class and Top Commander class.

Fruits I'll place there:
* Poison fruit
* Kuma's fruit

Any other fruits you think should go there?

TheKnightOfTheSea

@Cinera maybe Marco and Sengoku's fruits.

Cinera

@comrade: poison can oneshot you with a single touch while magma cannot.

Like being grazed by poison kills you. Even Yami Teach was negged by the poison.

Poison also has the restrictions of getting diarrhoea for hours.

God Buggy

To be honest, if we strictly focus on fighting the C3 fruits in particular are absolute insanity. One touch and Aokiji's fruit removes a limb, the Magu Magu opens holes and melts body parts left and right and the Pica Pica casually rips through bodies. Then there are their logia characteristics, their AoE, their versatility etc.

Cinera

> @Cinera maybe Marco and Sengoku's fruits.

@TheKnightOfTheSea: my top commander class is defined by:
Zoan: Marco
Paramecia: Ito Ito
Logia: Mera Mera

If you don't think the others are actually above it, then there's no need for a new class.

Cinera

> To be honest, if we strictly focus on fighting the C3 fruits in particular are absolute insanity

@God Buggy: do you think the logia trio stand on a different level from Issho's Gravity?

Cinera

I'll create the thread now. We can add more fruits later.

Cinera

I think I'll separate Admiral Class into two.

Upper Admiral Class:
* Pika Pika
* Hie Hie
* Magu Magu
* Goro Goro
* Azure Dragon

Lower Admiral Class
* Gravity
* Poison (?)
* Ryokugyu
* Soru Soru

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung, @God Buggy, @comrade: do you agree with this?

God Buggy

@Cinera I don't know because Fujitora's fruit is likely broken af as well. We should have barely scratched the surface of what he can do. But then again, we should see way more even from the C3.

Fleet Admiral Lee Hung

I don’t think Kaido’s fruit belongs in Admiral tier yet.

It gives you a huge durability boost, but virtually no boost in speed or strength, as well as it doesn’t provide any good offensive abilities. It may as well be a slightly buffed version of Jozu’s fruit.

Kaido’s offense is dangerous because of AdCoC, not because of his Devil Fruit. We still don’t even have confirmation that it is the strongest Zoan fruit

Cinera

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung:
Kaido has:
* Exceptional durability
* The ability to casually levitate entire islands with flame clouds (everything Shiki's fruit can do)
Decent elemental attacks:
* Boro Breath (it can destroy mountains)
* He can create several tornadoes
* He can spam invisible flying slashes that crap on high tiers

Cinera

Kaido's offence looks bad because Zoro could counter it. That said, I agree that it's not of the calibre of any of the Admiral Class Devil Fruits.

comrade

I'll reply tomorrow, as I gotta go to sleep

God Buggy

@Fleet Admiral Lee Hung @Cinera Which fruit do you think is the best amongst the C3 ones? I am maybe willing to give the Magu an edge but honestly they all are nuts.