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Cinera

@comrade I don't see Zoro blackening Enma in Wano unless he's slaying Kaido, and that is a superior feat to Oden.

Cinera

Besides, Zoro wouldn't be blackening all his swords soon, and Enma's characteristic of forcing the user to release excessive amounts of ryuo may make it easier to blacken.

Cinera

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE see above regarding Zoro blackening Enma.

comrade

@Cinera Katkauri doesn't have the most advanced FS of the series. FS itself is the highest level of CoO and Ray implied that there are several people who have this ability. I also think that with CoA it is different than with CoO. FS is an advanced ability of CoO which in itself cannot get more powerful. While in the case of CoA, the advanced form itself surely has levels to it.

comrade

And Roger and Whitebeard are the absolute peak. Some people argue that the ability Roger had to counter the Gura was simply swordsmanship. Though I also think it might be some advanced CoA stuff. Who knows, maybe Mihawk's CoA was stronger.

LANJI CUCKSMOKE

"FS is an advanced ability of CoO which in itself cannot get more powerful"
based on?
I would argue kats fs is significantly better than luffy's atm. I would also argue kat has better coo than majority of top tiers around rn.
sentomaru used the barrier as well prets.
does that imply he has better coa than say katakuri.

LANJI CUCKSMOKE

roger and wb used the barrier
clearly implied by oden saying they arent even touching . same thing hyogoro did to the udon guard. he didnt have to come in contact in order to deal damage.

HA001

Roger and wb arent the absolute peak. Imo ims gonna blow them out the water.

comrade

I think Im's CoO will be over the top. Fitting his prophet like figure. But I don't think he is much of a fighter.

HA001

Imo pk luffy will be > wb and roger after he beats bb and becomes king.
But we know wb said after the treasure is found then the war the worlds waiting for is coming i e the final war.
Which means after surpassing rogerbeard luffy will have more fights and grow more.

Yo Tan Wa

I feel like there's more to Black Blade, bt yes If Only Mihawk n Ryumma has it. It is EoS Skill. And more than not, means Peak CoA haki.

Cinera

@comrade no one has demonstrated better COO proficiency than Katakuri, and at least among the characters whose COO we've seen, he appears to be the most skilled with it.

Cinera

I think there can be levels to FS. For example:
1. How often/consistently you can see into the future.
2. How far ahead into the future you can see.

Cinera

Luffy appears to be substantially less skilled with Future Sight than Katakuri. He fails to see into the future on several occasions, and even fodder have gotten the jump on him.

Cinera

@comrade Roger had comparable COA to Whitebeard based on their clash. I don't think Roger's counter for the Gura could have merely been advanced COA.

comrade

In Udon, Luffy saw 3 steps ahead into the future. Casually.

HA001

Then why didnt kata see sanji dodge the jellybean ?

comrade

I guess Luffy is already better at FS. :kappa:

Cinera

@Yo Tan Wa Mihawk said that with haki, and blade can become a black blade. I would guess that blackening a sword is a combination of COA strength and COA proficiency/control.

Cinera

A blade like Enma that forces their wielder to release excessive amounts of COA may be easier to blacken than others.