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Cinera
Canon fire is cited as one of the factors behind WB's death. I don't think he has AP comparable to Law or Zoro. His canon balls are probably more potent than G2 attacks though.
ShishioIsBack
I personally think Law >= Who's Who > X-Drake > Hawkins >= Killer
TheAncientCenturion
We're aware of your mental deficiencies Shishio, no need to bring them up.
TheAncientCenturion
Cannons haven't done any decent damage since the Buggy Ball IIRC. And, unless you think none of them have the DC comparable to Non-Haki Big Mom blows, they decided to wait Bege out for their own convenience. And no, it's more like; If you fight Zoro, you get elevated up 2 tiers for being in his presence.
ShishioIsBack
What?
You really serious about that? What opponent has been elevated by being in Zoro's presence? @TheAncientCenturion
People were putting Hawkins in top 5 supernovas and right after Zoro fight they started putting him near the bottom
You really serious about that? What opponent has been elevated by being in Zoro's presence? @TheAncientCenturion
People were putting Hawkins in top 5 supernovas and right after Zoro fight they started putting him near the bottom
ShishioIsBack
I see comments about Killer being the weakest supernova all the time as well
TheAncientCenturion
Pica.
Killer should be in the weaker end. He hasn't stood out besides being bootleg Zoro and fighting Urouge.
Killer should be in the weaker end. He hasn't stood out besides being bootleg Zoro and fighting Urouge.
ShishioIsBack
Pica? Dude is literally one of the most underrated characters ever.
His CoA gets downplayed, his DF gets downplayed. I even saw one **** say he was Wadatsumi level.
Fuck outta here with that shit. It is a well established fact, every single Zoro post TS opponent gets branded "Fodder"
His CoA gets downplayed, his DF gets downplayed. I even saw one **** say he was Wadatsumi level.
Fuck outta here with that shit. It is a well established fact, every single Zoro post TS opponent gets branded "Fodder"
Kejon
People shit on Hawkins, because Oda doesn't make him dodge. And now some people think that if you ''kill'' him he is fodder which doesn't make sense at all.
TheAncientCenturion
It doesn't help that the strongest opponent he's fought Post TS is Kamazou, who is arguably weaker than base Sanji
ShishioIsBack
He is not a fodder, just a fodder compared to Zoro like Killer and Pica. Still a high tier character
TheAncientCenturion
Yeah. People shit on Hawkins because he doesn't do anything and just gets his lives stolen. That's not a difficult concept to grasp.
HA001
If killers weak so is kidd.
They have been constantly portayed as close. Even when hawkins talked about them fighting kaido he grouped them together. They have had a chapter dedicated to them both literally called partner.
Whilst kidd is stronger no where in the manga is it implied theres a huge gap.
They have been constantly portayed as close. Even when hawkins talked about them fighting kaido he grouped them together. They have had a chapter dedicated to them both literally called partner.
Whilst kidd is stronger no where in the manga is it implied theres a huge gap.
Buusatan94
I never had a reason to think Hawkins was not stronger than at least Doflamingo's seats and he has certainely not revealed all the abilities he has with his Voodoo powers and magic cards neither to Kaido nor to other supernovas.
ShishioIsBack
Whos Who vs Jack? @TheAncientCenturion
TheAncientCenturion
According to many Zoro fans, Killer wasn't nerfed and lost to a starving, 2 Sword and distracted Zoro. So I can't see how he's close to Kidd and then also so much further below Zoro.
ShishioIsBack
Well Pica is definitely stronger than Hawkins but he is stronger than even Cracker. Hawkins can be above Vergo though
TheAncientCenturion
Jack probably Mid Diffs on a generous day.
Buusatan94
As for Bege he is far more of a defensive or surprise attack guy than a fighter with great AP with his AP being limited to bullets and cannonballs and him using his df to hit his targets and foes before they can react.