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No problem, I didn't know that was you're intention my bad :)

Man at least credit me before copying and pasting my comment word for word lol come on. (point 15)

I would love for it to be a semi-difficult encounter for Luffy where in the final act of the fight its just a violent beat down with memories of Ace rushing in Luffys mind and we can finally see Akainu in true fear of what he created with his own hands. I can imagine the emotional soundtrack...

People have long abandoned this arc from a story perspective, most people are just waiting for their favorite character's to get off the bench and preform. Ultimately if you're favorite character was on the roof then you rate it highly but only really because of that, if the only redeeming part...

Sanjis powerups will not be as obivous as zoros, he gets new swords and we can see that, sanji is not going to get new shoes to indicate he kicks harder, he will just be faster and kick harder. Sanji has gotten diable, HM, Sky walk and the raid suit that's just what we know of, along side haki...

We are going around in circles arguing something that is clear, I provided panels you provided headcanon anyway I am walking away from this discussion.

They all grow during their fights to be capable of winning/beating their respective opponents, so saying it would not happen to sanji just because he doesn't grow during fights is flawed in itself and has no basis. 1619223078 No but we have clear dialogue telling us that doriki and df are not...

But you see what I mean, we can go on and on adding things to both but ultimately what we fall back to is the most unambiguous, which is doriki itself. Jabra was not shown to be incompetent, he actually tried to trick sanji during their fight and its also your opinion that it makes them dumber...

Zoro couldn't cut steel until he just learned it on the spot when fighting mr.1, you don't think if sanji fought mr.1 he could just get a powerup like zoro did? or being as smart as he is just figure out a way to win without needing to break steel. Look at anti manner kick course, sanji can kick...

Exactly so its like this. kaku: 2200 (base) Jabra: 2180(base) then when they actually transform it scales up so hypothetically, Kaku : 6200(zoan form) Jabra: 6180(zoan form), this is not canon just a way to illustrate how it works. 1619221931 The exposition in the panels regarding doriki is...

I am saying that kaku's doriki will stay the same even when he eats the devil fruit unless he is in his zoan form, because doriki does not include ones devil fruit ability.

:nicagesmile: You are not understanding at all.

No, he is telling Kaku not to get cocky just because he has a higher doriki, why? because he says in an actual fight he would use his df which when in that form makes him much stronger. There is a separation there to inform us that doriki is separate and doesn't include df ability.

He says to kaku to not get too cocky because doriki only measures base physical power, then he separates the two by stating that in an actual fight he would have his df ability. It's so obvious man you can't be serious.

did you even read those panels?

I don't pick sides, if you are saying something consistent, honest and makes sense I am with you. My judgement will be flawed at times but that's what I look for above all else. 1619220840 You said that the doriki was without the df i told you df doesn't affect doriki.

I'm new here so i don't know who is bitter and who is honest :P

Me saying sanji is not a weakling and has fought characters that are comparable to zoros opponents, which is clearly portrayed in the story is me being a fanboy?

Not a sanji fan man just trying to be fair to these characters. I have even defended zoro on this forum before lol