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People tend to forget jinbei was stronger than the straw hat crew in its entirety pre time skip, he clashed with big mom and managed to escape, and he has the third highest bounty in the crew for a reason. Downplaying jinbei never made sense to me

I do agree with this thesis. If oda wanted to portray that luffy was stronger than Kaidou they would’ve fought straight up from the get go and not a 1 vs many

You know what. You’re right that’s fair

Explain

I was with you till you said zoro. Not insinuating zoro is weak at all but current zoro being as strong as old Rayleigh right now means he’s as strong as kizaru and that’s simply not true at this very moment 1693468323 Also a lot of you are going back and forth about is she meant the straw hats...

That’s not true technically you definitely don’t have to be THE strongest to get to laugh tale however this is a shounen manga and that’s how it will end up

This thread is kinda dumb cause whitebeard was never looking to be the WSM. He’s the WSM because he is (well was). Same thing for Mihawk. Participants don’t have to actively try to be the best swordsmen. Mihawk was given WSS because anyone that fights primarily with a sword he’s stronger than...

Since when is Magellan weak? He solo’d the entire impel down by himself and everyone ran. If anything he’s the most underrated top tier 1692284095 Crocodile was the planning, funds, forces, AND the muscle lol. Are we really downplaying someone who rocked luffy twice and clearly got stronger...

Because he got jumped

Although I do think kizaru is strong and luffy will extreme diff him, I can’t shake the feeling that the strong presence he felt was Saturn

Dragon vs Saturn so luffy can escape. Book it

When the hell is Marco under king lmao did I miss something?

Who do you think is the weakest top tier

It’s called plot. What do the fans question every damn thing lol just let it ride

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This also makes sense