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Already had this discussion already with kekaro in this thread yesterday. There have been cases when the rankings have been ambigious, was the case with Robin when she boarded the ship as well as Jinbe when he joined at the start of Onigashima. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are all relative so if Loki...

By the end of Elbaf do you think Loki > Luffy? If not no he’s not too strong to join.

Yup ^^ ① Parallels, Inherited Will, Destiny Rocks & Harald ⇨ (baton pass) ⇨ Luffy & Loki - Like Rocks did Harald, Luffy will need Loki to challenge the status quo. - Unlike Rocks who Loki perceived to be Nika, Luffy is Nika - Unlike Harald who Rocks wanted to consume the legendary df and...

There's merit to this argument (i.e. the Blueno pattern bascically) but the only issue with this is that Aokiji has to be weaker than Zoro and Sanji's opponents for that to work which I think is a possibility if Teach is the final villian of OP but it doesn't really change the argument that...

How would you rationalize Aokiji's role in the Blackbeard Pirates though? Surely it is noteworthy given the Blsckbeard Pirates are the counter parallel the SHs Shiryu and Lafitte are clearly weaker than him atm yet they are most likely Zoro and Sanji's opponents. So why can't Loki mirror...

Expect Loki to take up a role not too dissimilar to Sanji & Zoro’s so will most likely be one of the crew’s main fighters. The squirrel is cheddar for Oda in the form of merchandise :risisweat:

:risisweat: Personally legitimately think he joins tbh. I know he's getting a lot of gas and folks think he is way too strong to join but I'll keep on reminding folks that Oda is a hype merchant and also an incredibly shameless writer so will reserve my judgement till the end of the arc. Reckon...

So Low Top Tier~ish? :Think: How far would do you reckon Post-Elbaf Sanji pushes an Admiral? 1769019583 I agree that Sanji was definitively stronger than Jinbe at the end of Wano but think start of Onigashima Sanji v Jimbe (which was when Jinbe joined) is ambigious to be fair but we can...

:pepelit: Where do you have Old Gaban and Garp atm?

:milaugh: Even if Loki joins post-elbaf, I don't think Sanji has to be definitively stronger than him. As has been the case several times in the past, can be ambigious like it was when Robin first boarded the ship on Alabasta or at the start of Onigashima with Jinbe when the latter joined. Or...

High Top Tier at worst and Peak Top Tier at best. For reference, reckon it's something like this: God Tier Imu Demi-God Tier HK Harald Transcendent Top Tier Xebec, Roger, Garp, Newgate, Shanks High Top Tier~Peak Top Tier Current Luffy Current Loki Don't wanna turn this into a Loki...

Irregardless of where y'all have got Loki PL-wise I think we can all agree that Luffy isn't going to be any less impressive than him this arc, so wings are going to have to raise their game significantly as a consequence. That considered where do y'all have Sanji Post-Elbaf PL wise what do you...

Says the man who thinks Super Sommers is going to be Sanji's arc opponent and give him a tough fight:whitepress:

They are not :gonope: Again this is the Holy Knights history: Super Sommers v Gaban - Pretty much a one shot Super Sommers v Ray - Got oneshot Newgate vs Maffey - trash treatment (Newgate didn't even acknowledge her as an opponent) Xebec v Garling - pretty much negg’d and off panel to boot even with Imu’s...

I'm still leaning strongly towards Zoro and Sanji vs Dorry and Broggy but reckon there is an outside chance of the Gorosei descending on Elbaf to give those two adequate matchups. Don't really see the Holy Knights as proper matchups for either Zoro or Sanji (they are fodder and they record...

I don't care about Hadrujin fam I'm not gonna lie. He's a rubbish character. An insecure, weakling with zero critical thinking skills. It's actually shocking that Ida is his mom, coz the dumbass learnt absolutely nothing from her. King of the Giants my buttcheeks...mchew Such a poorly written...

I don't know man, I completely disagree on the Co-Captain ting. Hadrujin is a flea compared to Loki, character and strength-wise so the co-captain dymanic doesn't really work imo. I get the sense you're referring to Harald's comments/wish in the flashback with regards to Hadrujin and Loki...

Broski... You think Hadrujin and Loki fit the Dorry/Broggy dynamic? Or that Loki doesn't look out of place in a line up of Cabbage, Batrolomeo, Sai, Leo etc? I see the ally angle and I'm in disagreement with it for several reasons but if you wanna argue this angle you gotta at least try to make...

I mean if I'm wrong I'll put up my hands and take the L but my comments are based off of precendent. There's a reason why a shit ton of fans dropped this series post-wano and why even a lot of people that are still debating on here don't even read the chapters and only read spoilers :risisweat...

You should already know my argument on this so I'm not going to debate it for the nth time but this is a summary of it. https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/one-piece-chapter-1171-spoilers-discussion.77261/page-174#post-6523673 I honestly don't see any value in debating this issue as I...