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They can be the main antagonists without "losing" forever, like I just said. They can take an L from Nika, but not be definitively defeated. They are still portrayed as the main antagonists. Kizaru is also a major antagonist, but not the main one, which explains why the Gorosei are now getting...

The 5 elders were fully revealed in this arc. Saturn got a lot more characterisation, but as a group, they were very much portrayed as the "villain". Kizaru on the other hand is just the "corporate slave", which he calls himself btw, to carry out their whims, which was to kill VP and retrieve...

I agree. The gorosei don't even have to fall this arc, they just need to take a good beating from Luffy so that they can leave the island. That would be worth being called an incident, along with the revelation of the truth of the world.

Him addressing the world is not an incident per se. It's part of the incident, but it can't be just that in my opinion. And yes, there is nothing wrong with the villains who were given so much exposition this arc to be also defeated in this arc.

Vegapunk saying something can't be THE "incident".

They won't be gone, they'll just take an L, it's not like Luffy will kill the Gorosei, but I do think he will hand them a spanking and leave Egghead. The Holy Knights I see as a side quest for the Rev Army, I don't think Luffy and Co will encounter them.

Yes I do think that, that's the only thing in my mind being an incident which will shock the world. An escape of the island of egghead is not enough to be called an incident imo, but we reading it in two different ways.

I use hyperbole in my rhetoric. I didn't quote you word for word. What you said had essentially the same meaning, albeit in a fashion that's not as definitive. The main point is you believe Kizaru is the main antagonist, when he is clearly being side lined, and the Gorosei are the ones who will...

there

I have, already replied with it.

there buddy, you had the audacity to even say "I know it's not proven yet, but..."

You said there is no way Kizaru isn't the main antagonist of this arc

there is, his name is @Paperchampion23

If that helps you sleep at night, sure

talking to a wall

Yes at that particular point they haven't fainted yet. Like I said just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You can use your inference and reading comprehension of the whole scene to understand that it is indeed what happened.

Losing money and losing consciousness is two different things tho. There is a finite amount of money you can have and measure. Consciousness is not a finite resource. You can't slip in and out of it either. It's over.

yikes

What you are doing by trying to say he didn't get KO'd is coping but that's alright, no point arguing to a wall

In fact a person who is about to faint can tell you they are about to faint. In this case Lucci is telling us the audience. No point wasting panel space on showing his fainted cat body. The author is giving us the benefit of the doubt