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Here's the catch though Who gave that prophecy? How it was predetermined to an extent that everyone believed in it - toki traveling in future is another case in point

@MonochromeYoru he's saying hi to you 😏

According to my sources Gaban blocked Nika punch with his Axe of love

What you liked about IMU for him to become your fav?

I believe D name is the name of the clan to which joy boy belonged. Perhaps he passed it or perhaps he didn't but one thing I am sure of Luffy being joyboy 2.0 is more to do with prophecy based on some divine attribute or curse or reincarnation than bloodline

Based on how oda repeats past history as present plot I am quite certain Joyboy was probably travelling as a pirate. Came across Lily who was trying to fool him. He end up helping her in the same way Luffy helped Vivi. Lily fell in love. Joyboy didn't give shit And, Lily rejected marriage...

My FV is BB I refuse to take that simp who got PTSD just by a remnant of joyboy haki as my FV

Saassyrama and ANe shows up Thread steers from insanity to being totally degenerate Coincidence? Perhaps not

Nah man I can bet Joyboy was just like Luffy. Totally naive. If lily had any feelings then most likely it was one sided

They did conquer the pirate world and became PK crew. I believe knowing true history changed Roger and made him realize he wasn't the one. He realized he wasn't destined to be "him" based on prophecy and history. Roger decided to bank on that prophecy and ushered new era to play his role for...

It can't be just status/prestige - because this case doesn't warrant 1)use of word "equal" 2) Specifically mentioning Ray and Roger. Oda could have simply said "legendary star" of Roger pirates to express notoriety or prestige. So, I do believe that Oda was hyping Gaban on par with Roger...

Bro was cursing the whole nation just because one guy didn't believe in leaked short summary and wanted to wait for the chapter :suresure:

Yes yet luffy still matched him when he was in G5. And, as I said, it speaks more about kiz than luffy. Where sanji fit in all of these? Nowhere Where sanji fit in the fight against BM and Kaido? Nowhere Sanji potential to be top tier close to Luffy is possible by the EoS but saying he's...

Because both were down and kiz was just first one to get up Anyway, this argument has nothing to do with Sanji being at that level or even close to it. He wasn't even on rooftop for you to make even a slightest of a case for him.

EoS sanji is easily a top tier. It's always about at what degree he will finish.

Again you are making no sense. That fight ended in a stalemate. Yes kiz fed him but it shows more about kiz than luffy. But you putting sanji close to those levels for no absolute reason is what baffles me. He did nothing as of now to be placed in top tier. It's just like you putting Buggy...

Imagine thinking we are talking about EoS sanji but not current sanji lol

You simply can't toy with two top tiers (kiz and saturn) at the same time unless you are one yourself. Arguing kaido was weakened means mute because so was luffy. As I said, come argue gap is small when sanji shows something on such scale EVEN FOR A MINUTE. And, as of now there is literally...

So? He still made kiz a pizza roll and Saturn a flying goof ball.... He's still the man who went toe to toe with kaido in G5 Argue gap is small when sanji even remotely shows something on that scale even for a minute.

His stamina in Nika form is definitely an issue but not his strength. I say he's situational top tier due to his inability to be in G5 for long but that doesn't diminish the fact that his feats in G5 ecplise anything we have seen from other SHs more so with Sanji.