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Well Kinemon's original plan involved four samurai around YC level, along with the three strong pirates and about four thousand others... but not taking the Beast Pirates head on. The idea was to ambush Kaido and very possibly die to accomplish the mission anyway. That's a really fair...

Um... why would I bring up Marine aspirations? Coby says he wants to be an admiral, what does Luffy say? "Nah go for PK too." I was talking about pirate aspirations because their goals both involve fighting the Marines, but they don't mention beating the admirals outside of conversations where...

It looks like you mangled some names there so I'm not quite sure what that means. It sort of sounds like trying to have it both ways, stating that the Shichibukai didn't do much while taking on some of the premiere crew (Oars, Jozu, Vista) but that their relative lack of accomplishments doesn't...

mihawk and Dofy took on commanders, that's... helping the Marines, right? Even if you don't count BB as one at the time, he still had his group strike killing blows on the man himself. If it took all that plus Akainu to fatally wound him and Mihawk never even struck that commander, it's pretty...

When a rookie wants to go for a Yonko they form an alliance But it's beating a dead horse when Mihawk, Hancock, and Dofy stood with the admirals against just one Yonko