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I changed my mind on this topic within the first pages of the thread. I change my mind when I hear good arguments or see new evidence that contradicts my expectations.

That would require Queen to have COC and/or be able to clad his attacks in it. That seems pretty unlikely.

@Geo Two YC 1s gave two Raid Suit Vinsmoke Siblings the same treatment. :zorothink: Does Stealthblack actually scale to Sparkling Red level? :shocking:

Nah. aerial combat and speed is Sanji's forte. Of Kaido's calamities, King is the only person that can give Sanji that. From an aesthetic perspective, Sanji vs King would be much cooler than Sanji vs Queen.

Maybe after I'm done with my backlog of Yamato and Zoro threads, I'll write another explaining why Ulti > Pay Pay.

This does not contradict what I said. Ace fought Yamato and Jimbe before joining the WB Pirates. The Ace that fought both was New World Pirate Ace (before he became a Whitebeard commander).

Not at all. Ace fought both Yamato and Jimbe before joining the Whitebeard Pirates. It was practically the same version of him.

I've only ever seen a handful of Sanji fans place Pay Pay above Ulti, and that's simply their pro Sanji bias (after all, Pay Pay was Sanji's opponent). Portrayal, narrative, feats, etc. — everything else really — suggests that Ulti is the stronger one.

I agree with this. "365" should probably be "635". I also agree with this. I agree with this. The best possible opponent for Sanji to do justice to his role as a combatant is King. I also agree with this. My reason is not that Sanji doesn't fight swordsmen. It's scepticism that Oda will...

Pay Pay is simply much more durable than Oven. No, it was not at all implied that Pay Pay was defeated. Ulti was knocked out for long enough that Pay Pay was attending to her and requesting medical assistance:

Fair enough, I concede this argument. Diable Jambe + Hell's Memories combined with the massive speed boost of the Raid Suit (think Borsalino's lightspeed kicks on a smaller scale) would be a massive boost to his offence. RS Sanji had Full Zoan Page One screaming out in pain with each kick...

Okay I understand this, thanks for the answer. My issue is that I'm not really a Sanji fan. I don't hate him or dislike him, but I don't have a positive bias for him. I want my opinions on expectations for Sanji to be correct, and they are not filtered by optimism (as are my expectations for...

No this is a terrible argument. The Sulong Dukes were about to murder Jack and he still didn't use Hybrid. Oda is simply not willing to show a character's hybrid form before his dramatic reveal. Yeah, I no longer endorse a position that Sanji cannot face Queen solo because he's too weak. This...

I think Sanji will defeat Queen. I am sceptical that he would do it solo. I said Sanji is going to fight a Calamity though? I don't think you actually understand anything I've argued for in this thread. What position do you think I'm arguing for? I don't understand what you're trying to say...

@Kuro Ashi: I think Drake and Apoo have more build up to face Queen as opponents than to face each other. Drake: He is the man that Queen wanted to kill. Queen has already tried to kill him. He's a traitor to the Beast Pirates. Zoro entrusted him with the Live Floor. This included Chopper's...

Did you even read my post? I said that I expect Sanji to defeat a Calamity. I said that I was sceptical he would do it solo. If Sanji defeats Queen, it would be exactly what I expected to happen. If Sanji does it solo, it would be a pleasant surprise. I no longer take Sanji vs King...

Sanji was knocked into a building and didn't show up again until a while after. He was even questioning whether Momo got away. It looks to me like Sanji was temporarily knocked unconscious by one of the weakest attacks from King. Sanji landed two hits on Page One and didn't defeat him. Even the...

Sanji's best offence feat is failing to draw blood from a Full Zoan Tobi Roppo: Yamato's best offence feat is oneshotting a Full Zoan Tobi Roppo: By feats, Sanji gets Thunder Bagua'd. For what it's worth, I didn't assume the Calamities were using COA. Even if they were, they were not using...

Well, I disagree with this: Franky may get assistance from Denjiro Robin and Brook are tag teaming Black Maria Zoro did not need help beating Pica Carrot never blitzed Zoro But as I said earlier, Sanji reaching Queen's level of his Raid Suit is combined with Diable Jambe/Hell's Memories or...

The raid failing would remove most of my doubts about Sanji soloing Queen, but I still don't expect it at this point in time. This is fair I think. If RS Sanji is scaled to elite Tobi Roppo level, then the addition of DJ and Hell's Memories pushing him to Calamity level is reasonable. I guess...