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I'm referring to Killer's comment about victory appearing possible. After Luffy punched Kaido, Killer said it looks like there's a chance to win. That's not a reassuring statement to make in the context of this fight. It's not what I wanted, and I didn't expect it before today. It is starting...

Yeah, this doesn't look good for Kidd and Killer. They've already started placing all their hope in Luffy this early. I guess they'll end up glorified cheerleaders in the end. Fuck you.

Rayleigh used it in Saboady though?

The sooner you accept it, the better for you dear. :goyea: There's still time to submit to the Grandmaster.

Break next week, so the arc can't end. :goyea: It's already not a neg diff given that Zoro was able to damage Kaido. I think the Zoro portrayal will come eventually, but for now it's not looking good. Much better. Kaido still needs to find a monster samurai of the likes of Kozuki Oden. Zoro...

It can also be reads as he's saying that he's not drawing enough of Enma's power. I.e. his performance is inadequate. Fair enough, I think there's probably at some motivated cognition on my part. It may be best to wait for an official translation of the scene.

Man, I can't pause the hype. Kaido just went into fucking Dragon form. He just made himself a massive fucking target you literally can't miss against. Next up: "Santoryu Ougi: Ichidai Sanzen Daisen Sekai!!!". :steef: I wonder how big the scar Zoro gives Kaido will be? :usosmug:

I am not claiming that current Zoro is weaker though, just that he hasn't fully acclimatised to his new sword, so he hasn't yet realised its potential. Compare their first attacks: Luffy successfully lands a hit on Kaido. No further comment Zoro successfully lands a hit on Kaido. Comments...

I explained Enma in detail:

We did not see Luffy comment that he doesn't yet have the hang of ryuo. We say Zoro comment that he hasn't yet fully acclimatised to Enma. I don't think you can make the inference you want to make. I agree that Enma training will make Zoro significantly stronger (and before today, I'd been...

The first Santoryu attack he used. Preskip He used it to finish Axe Hand Morgan. Postskip He used the upgraded version to finish Hyouzou It's normally his opening Santoryu attack Against Mihawk Against Daz Bones Attacks definitely stronger than Oni Giri: Nigorizake Overpowered Kaku's Bigan...

Zoro is just getting started. We have confirmation that he's going to get significantly stronger as the battle progresses. He has still not yet fully acclimatised to Enma. He has still yet to show Asura or anything else he learned from Mihawk Luffy left the time skip with a new Gear (Gear 4)...

I think Oden was only a shadow because he's one of the people Kaido has actually been hurt by. That wasn't a collage of every top tier/strong person, but only those who Kaido was hurt by in fights. As for Zoro: We have confirmation that he's going to get significantly stronger as the battle...

Unless I'm mistaken, there's no confirmation that the Supernova captains did any damage at all to Kaido? :usoprice: The underlings on the other hand were able to damage him. :optimistic: But go on, tell me more how this is an L for Zoro because he and Killer were able to successfully damage...

Eh, Zoro's reaction was completely different. Kidd is the one who was left confused and didn't even know what he saw. Zoro recognised it as the application of haki that Hyou taught Luffy. This suggests Kaido could still have beaten Luffy quite easily even if he was composed. You know it...

I elaborated on it: Tl;Dr: I don't intrinsically care about the "power up" vs "not a power up" distinction, I was just clearing up how Enma works and how Zoro becomes stronger through it. I think Zoro fully acclimatises to Enma this fight and becomes significantly stronger. Alternatively, if...

I don't care about "earned power up" vs "unearned power up", I think that's a stupid discussion. I agree that Zoro would be stronger after mastering Enma, but he's not yet mastered Enma, so he isn't yet stronger. Read the below for a more detailed explanation. See above. I'm not arguing about...

The idea that Killer was mentally compromised during his fight with Zoro has been unsubstantiated from the very beginning and contradicts the latest chapter. Killer credits his lack of weapons for his defeat, not some imaginary mental handicap. The claim that he was tortured by Orochi is also...

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I think the entire free power up argument is very stupid TBH (on both sides). I engage with it, but that's because the people trying to use it to discredit Zoro are annoying regardless. I don't think I've ever been clowning on Sanji about the Raid Suit. That said, I don't think what Sanji...