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So you guys believe that Hardening and Barrier are two separate trees or is Barrier a more advanced progression of hardening? We see that when Roger and Newgate use their Barrier Haki to clash, the blades are still drawn black as if hardening is a prerequisite to using barrier or are they just...

Do you think Ryou can be used on something like Rankyaku?

Why do you think that

Can Flow Haki be used on something like Rankyaku. Maybe it's how Kizaru is able to Make his light solid.

When Rayleigh and Sentomaru use the deflection offensively, do you think it factors in physical strength or is this purely Haki? So like we see Ray and Sentomaru do a push. Do you think that their physical strength enhances the force behind these shockwaves? Additionally, with Hyo, we see him...

I disagree on many accounts but I don't want to go into Zoro and Mihawk wanking so we can leave it there. I'll cross my fingers that everything isn't about Haki.

I agree with blade Blackening having something to do with Haki but there has to be more to it than that to be honest. For example, It probably has to do with sword autism. None of the other swordsmen we see apart from people that are super obsessed with their sword and their life as swordmen...

Yea I would like this stuff to not be Haki to be honest... It makes no sense for it to be haki. I think im with Kaneki's explanation on this issue but it's likely to be wrong with how Oda wants to tie things up quickly. It makes much more sense for BOAT to be a skill tied to Swordsmanship and...

Would Mihawk need Haki to Cut Jozu?

I agree as well. It’s why just like FS i don’t think it’s infallible. There has to be a way that top tier should fight each other for days while having something so stupidly strong like durability bypass. 1572048505 Well I guess that’s a mistake on the wikis part but his blade does have the...

His hand had already let go of the blade though when we see the hilt

Mind elaborating

Made a thread before but it didn’t get much traction. How do you defend against penetration haki without having to dodge? And do you guys believe top tiers like BM Kaido and Admirals have this level of armament. It would be stupid imo for Luffy to be the only one who has it.

A few minor points I disagree but you put this really well as a whole.

Just like Zenos posted above[You two should make up and Be friends or at least not let the wanking get to you. ] Barrier type doesn’t seem to require hardening but penetration and shockwaves do. Maybe you also need to protect your own body when trying those but it was never stated.l

Why is hardening needed for barrier and shockwaves?

BOAT haki or swordsmanship? Hardening and Flow different or same Armament Tree? 1572043463 Yes you can train flow to unlock penetration. Then that makes it s different skill tree than hardening then.

It doesn’t make sense to me that someone like Cracker who is known for good Busoshoku then Kata who is a hardening monster have mediocre or average armament while BOA sisters use advanced. Like I think that there are advanced applications of each tree. Penetration is the advanced show of flow...

You wank Mihawk and Zoro but that is not the point of this thread. Anyway, good explanation regarding flow vs hardening. I disagree on one being more advanced than the other. I see them as separate skill trees that people can specialize in.