Future Events 10 REASONS WHY IMU WILL LOSE IN ELBAPH

[Paperchampion23]

Nah, It was said various times in the past. It's literally used in the introduction boxes and titles:

It's like saying "Warlord of Sea" instead of "Warlords", which again was used multiple times.

For example, people speculated Garling could have been talking about Sengoku and something that happened to him. Maybe against the CG.
Gandhi did say the Marines were busy.

Then he would just say former Fleet Admiral, and even then that doesnt make sense because Sengoku is now Inspector General, so he'd use that title. And even THEN, these people all know each other and know their subordinates, they do not need descriptors for Kuzan or Sengoku.

Also Intro boxes are not dialogue. And using english translations for Shichibukai (which never changes) makes zero sense. Those both mean the same thing in Japanese and said the same way. Lets not get carried away with how people decide to translate it to english.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Thats Laugh Tale. Other people have gotten to Lodestar beside Roger. He was just the first 39 years ago.

But we are going there, its going to be shown for the sole fact that Oda is hiding it.

He is the first to reach lodestar in 800 years

 

[Paperchampion23]

Hachinosu is really the only island the SHs could maybe visit between Elbaf and Lodestar, but I think that’s less than 50% likely

Tbh that ship has sailed to me since Oda decided to fully reveal the island in and out of flashbacks.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Thats Laugh Tale. Other people have gotten to Lodestar beside Roger. He was just the first 39 years ago.

But we are going there, its going to be shown for the sole fact that Oda is hiding it.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I mean egghead was a battle royale? Shanks vs Kid, Blackbeard vs Law, Luffy vs Kizaru, SWORD vs the BBP, revs vs Mariejoa. All of these fights happening concurrently make it a battle royale.

Even this arc we had Mariejoa under fire, Fishman Island seemingly in danger, Elbaf being under siege, apparently Admirals currently fighting throughout the new world as well. I don’t think there’s going to be a central war location besides “the new world” where there are battles happening throughout the sea

And all of that happens before Vegapunk's big speech before we are shown all major players in 1121. Realistically only Kid and Law lost and it just relegates them as allies in the endgame anyway. Everything else was set up for these people to fight directly.

He is absolutely setting up a big war between the Yonko and Marines in the least. That has been drilled to us a bunch of times since Wano ended. These factions are too big to lose now without Luffy being present in the arc. Shanks isnt losing or dying before they meet. Buggy and CG will be a menace during this entire confrontation. The Marines literally beef with each Yonko

You can make the case for the Revo's and upper WG as well, especially if you think Blackbeard is going to use Devon to control the Seraphim.

 

[Paperchampion23]

He is the first to reach lodestar in 800 years

People reached Lodestar after him though. Thats the only way Kaido and Linlin found out about RPs and had them. Its likely Blackbeard and Shanks have too. The only reason Luffy's crew knows is because Inu was on Roger's ship and knew the requirements.

This is why its unlikely he's talking about Lodestar. Again, it doesnt matter. Lodestar needs to be visited before Laugh Tale anyway. Its the end of the log pose and Laugh Tale is after it.

 

[Dragon777]

Then he would just say former Fleet Admiral, and even then that doesnt make sense because Sengoku is now Inspector General, so he'd use that title. And even THEN, these people all know each other and know their subordinates, they do not need descriptors for Kuzan or Sengoku.

Also Intro boxes are not dialogue. And using english translations for Shichibukai (which never changes) makes zero sense. Those both mean the same thing in Japanese and said the same way. Lets not get carried away with how people decide to translate it to english.

No, as said It was used multiple times. "navy HQ Admrial" is the literal, standard title used in all the boxes:

It was used even recently during Erbaf's FB by the narrator to describe Xebec's act of killing one:

And this Is just the leatest example, in the span of ~30 chapter, not 200.

Saying "Navy HQ Admiral" and so "former Navy HQ [Admiral or Fleet Admiral]" It's pretty common and has already happened.
You simply didn't put much relevance into It, which Is totally fine but again: calling Admirals "Navy HQ Admirals" It's absolutely common.

And no, It's not said that they would call Sengoku or whoever by name, especially if Oda wanted to build up some mistery around it. Exactly as when he calls people "that man/pirate/dude" for the same reason.

P.S.

Anyway no, I suppose that even in japanese there is a shorter version of Warlords of the Sea exactly as there Is for HQ Admirals, as to why not always both are called by their full name in english. But this Is my guess only, so.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

People reached Lodestar after him though. Thats the only way Kaido and Linlin found out about RPs and had them. Its likely Blackbeard and Shanks have too. The only reason Luffy's crew knows is because Inu was on Roger's ship and knew the requirements.

This is why its unlikely he's talking about Lodestar. Again, it doesnt matter. Lodestar needs to be visited before Laugh Tale anyway. Its the end of the log pose and Laugh Tale is after it.

All you said is just assumptions

There is 0 proof of that in the manga. And I'm not kidding

And about kaido and linlin: assumption again. People in zou and fishman know about RP. For this reason you can't simply conclude that only arriving at lodestar you discover about RP

 

[Paperchampion23]

No, as said It was used multiple times. "navy HQ Admrial" is the literal, standard title used in all the boxes:

It was used even recently during Erbaf's FB by the narrator to describe Xebec's act of killing one:

And this Is Just the lest example, in the span of ~30 chapter, not 200.

Saying "Navy HQ Admiral" and so "former Navy HQ [Admiral or Fleet Admiral]" It's pretty common and has already happened.
You simply didn't put much relevance into It, which Is totally fine but again: calling Admirals "Navy HQ Admirals" It's absolutely common.

No, It's not said that they would call Sengoku or whoever by name, especially if Oda wanted to build up some mistery around it. Exactly as when he calls people "that man/pirate/dude" for the same reason.

Also Intro boxes are not dialogue.

Neither is narration boxes. This is not dialogue.

We are now arguing over something extremely obvious my guy.

P.S.

And no, I suppose that even in japanese there is shorter version of Warlords of the say exaclty as there Is for HQ Admirals, as to why not always both are called by their full name.

There isnt lol. Shichibukai is the word used in every single istance.

Admiral is Taisho. There isnt a shorter word for it either.

 

[Paperchampion23]

All you said is just assumptions

There is 0 proof of that in the manga. And I'm not kidding

And about kaido and linlin: assumption again. People in zou and fishman know about RP. For this reason you can't simply conclude that only arriving at lodestar you discover about RP

Then how do they all know how to collect the 4 Road Poneglyphs for Laugh Tale? How does Kid? You are literally supposed to go to Lodestar to find this out.

The proof is the context given by Inuarashi. You are supposed to reach the end and realize that you cant go further.


Edit:
Some of these pirates have been sitting in their territories for decades. Of course they made it to the end of their log poses.

 

[Dragon777]

Neither is narration boxes. This is not dialogue.

We are now arguing over something extremely obvious my guy.


There isnt lol. Shichibukai is the word used in every single istance.

Admiral is Taisho. There isnt a shorter word for it either.

More than quoting you Oda using the same exact wording not only in boxes, but from a narrator dialogue and even very recently, I think I cannot do lol.

* There Is a shorter version of Admrials, since as already said plenty It's the shorter version of Navy HQ Admirals.
The same probably happens with Warlords.

 

[Paperchampion23]

More than quoting you Oda using the same exact wording not only in boxes, but from a narrator dialogue and even very recently, I think I cannot do lol.

* There Is a shorter version of Admrials, since as already said plenty It's the shorter version of Navy HQ Admirals.
The same probably happens with Warlords.

At this point believe what you want lol. Clearly theres nothing changing that

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Then how do they all know how to collect the 4 Road Poneglyphs for Laugh Tale? How does Kid? You are literally supposed to go to Lodestar to find this out.

The proof is the context given by Inuarashi. You are supposed to reach the end and realize that you cant go further.

I dont know how many people know about that (its a good question tbh)

I will read that zou chapter which inu and neko explain about lodestar to see what conclusions we can do

 

[Dragon777]

At this point believe what you want lol. Clearly theres nothing changing that

Same. I said what I could. We'll see anyway.

Anyway, I'm not saying surely Garling Is referring to people, but that he could be referring to people too.

 

[Paperchampion23]

I dont know how many people know about that (its a good question tbh)

I will read that zou chapter which inu and neko explain about lodestar to see what conclusions we can do

Remember im only disagreeing about the Jump comment. I absolutely believe Lodestar is our next location or at least major location

 

[Kair0s1]

Imu being done this arc is pure cope

He is losing this arc for sure, but it's not his end

Do you still see the Gorosei as a real threat after Egghead? I don’t. So if Imu gets stopped by Luffy in this arc, how would that be any different?

 

[Kair0s1]

Longer than you think


No its not. Laugh Tale isnt next considering we dont have the 4th RP from the Burned Scar Man


Remember when Kizaru was Sabaody's antagonist and then was featured again for Egghead? You are thinking way too small for this series. Think bigger.

This is the endgame for the manga, its not "just" Blackbeard, its a myriad of factions all fighting for the same things:

Imu being showcased for Elbaph says nothing about his endgame relevance. Ironically we know more about Blackbeard's past and history this arc lol. All we know about Imu is his appearance and a small part of his powers.

Once again, his past comes with a flashback that cant happen until Laugh Tale, which tells you entirely he will not stop being relevent after this arc.

Blackbeard is set up to take the Ancient Weapons and the world, it’s already written. Once Luffy has faced the Emperors (wano), then the Gorosei (egghead), then Imu (elbaph), what’s left? Only Blackbeard.

 

[Kair0s1]

hopefully it is a pyrrhic victory for the condom pirates

Luffy and Loki have too much to prove in Elbaph. This is going to be a big win.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

Imu forcing the Straw Hats to run away like at Egghead just doesn’t make sense. Elbaph isn’t falling into his hands. But if you’ve somehow convinced yourself that this arc will end in another Straw Hat defeat like Sabaody, here are 10 reasons why that’s not happening.
And just to be clear, I’m not saying Imu is going to be defeated here like a typical arc villain. He’ll simply be driven back and left unable to return to Elbaph.

1. Gaban still has to tell or give something to the crew before they leave the island. At the start of the arc, I was convinced he would be revealed as the man marked by flames aboard the Oro Jackson (as Roger’s navigator, it made perfect sense for him to be the one sailing around on their ship). Based on Oda’s more recent statements, it seems to be a new character instead, but that doesn’t change the fact that Gaban will have a key moment at the end of the arc that kicks off the final saga. Just like what we saw at Zou before going up against the Emperors.

2. Lilith said the island would host a new laboratory and that she would help Kuma regain his mind.

3. Let’s not forget Lilith also said she wanted to study the 3000-year-old scientific discoveries together with Franky. That’s another plotline that was introduced and then abruptly put on hold after Killingham’s monsters attacked.

4. Elbaph’s library and schools need to be protected. Robin and Saul’s story is one of hope, the happy ending she found on Elbaph isn’t getting ruined. If even Punk Records was saved, there’s no way everything gets destroyed now.

5. Loki has to become a true ally of Luffy, just like Shirahoshi and Momonosuke. Elbaph itself must become an allied nation to the Straw Hat side. Gunko already said that the outcome of the coming war will depend on the role Elbaph plays on the world stage. The Government wants to bend it to its will, but that’s clearly not how this is going to go. Elbaph is the land that worships the Sun God, Luffy will drive away the threat and be recognized as such by the giants. Loki will realize he was born in the right era, not the wrong one as he believed until now due to Xebec’s premature death.

6. Gunko needs to be saved. Imu will do everything to take her back both because she’s likely important to him for reasons we don’t yet know, and because he can’t afford to leave one of his knights at the mercy of his enemies. We saw what happened with Harald: the death of one of his knights causes him serious damage. Gunko is trapped in a block of ice that only Ragnir can melt. Brook also has unfinished business here, we’ll see how that plays out.

7. Loki has to talk to Luffy about Shanks. We don’t know what they’ll say, but Luffy has clearly been fixated on meeting Shanks lately, as if he finally sees himself as his equal.

8. Loki needs to reconnect with Mosa (Shirahoshi). Something was happening on Fish-Man Island, at least that’s how it seemed from their last call. Blackbeard’s crew might be attacking it after learning the location of the Ancient Weapons from Caribou. If that’s the case, Luffy needs to find out, since both Fish-Man Island and Wano are under his protection. Loki being there is the perfect way to make that happen.

9. The Straw Hats know about the giants from Punk Hazard. When else are you going to address that if not now?

10.

So why have Imu show up now? Simple.
Like I’ve always said, Elbaph was the last chance to have him confront Luffy.
Once Elbaph ends with Luffy’s victory, Imu will no longer be perceived as a real threat, and everything will shift into Blackbeard’s hands.

I give you a like for the effort, because high effort posts are extremely rare here, but this is insane lmao

There 0% chance Imu is losing here

 

[Kair0s1]

He won’t be able to. He’s going to leave due to his time limit. And it’s not like he wants to kill the giants.

He's going to leave due to this