General & Others 4 years later, how do you feel about the Tobiroppo fights?

#22
With the total SH Alliances capable fighters way much more that Beast Pirates+BM made it hard to had proper and longer 1vs1.
Instead, if BM full force (be it Peros, Smoothie, Snack) and Kyoshiro stick as villain alongside Orochi, Yamato also loyal to Kaido, then the number could be equal up and proper 1vs1 might possible for each SH especially.
If its as my say here, then the matchup I'll put like this:
Luffy vs Jack (pre war)
Luffy vs Kaido (ACoC final battle)
Zoro vs Kyoshiro (pre war)
Zoro vs Yamato (CoC final battle)
Sanji vs Page One (pre war)
Sanji vs King (Aerial final battle)
Jinbe vs Queen
Robin vs Smoothie
Franky vs Sasaki
Brook vs Snack
Chopper vs Black Maria
Usopp+Nami vs Ulti+Page One
Kid+Law vs Big Mom
Drake vs Who's Who
Killer vs Apoo
Inu+Neko vs Perospero
Kinemon vs Orochi
Kawamatsu vs Kanjurou
Raizo vs Fukurokuju
Kiku vs Shutenmaru
But then, the arc will more drag on longer, and the story will easily predictable.

Back to the thread question, the tobiroppo fights for me:
Who'sWho vs Jinbe: A bit downgrading of Jinbe prowess
Black Maria vs Robin: Good power up showcase of Robin
Sasaki vs Franky: Good and out of the box
Ulti/Page One vs Nami/Usopp: Understandable power gap. Big Mom intrusion is a given
X Drake? Is pathetic and not suit to be among the Worst Generation member.

What was the purpose of NINE red scabbards
Just have like three-five.
 
#23
Meh overall
Franky vs Sasaki felt rushed, I remember being surprised he was even KO because of how lackluckster the finisher was
Jinbe vs WsW had good action but the gap between them was too big for a genuinely interesting fight, WsW got bitched once Jinbe became truly serious. Liked it alright but Jinbe should have had a stronger opponent
Black Maria also felt underwhelming as a fighter but good finisher & character moment for Robin
Ulti is a weird case, she didn't really have an extended 1 vs 1 since Nami/Usopp not strong enough but she also got the most action and by far the most impressive endurance so she ended up looking better than the rest.
Page 1 got the short end of stick

Although he wasn't a tobi roppo, Jack got it the worst though. Supposedly Kaido's third strongest man yet got like 3-4 pages worth of action and hasn't show a single named or impressive attack.
 

Dickie D. Dick

SII - Sakazuki Incinerate Imu
#24
I'm very disappointed in Jinbei.
When Crocodile called him savage fishman is he said "OK whatever" but when Who's Who called him savage fishman he get all defensive and offended.
That's prove Jinbei is a coward who bow down to abuse from those who can fight back smh
No wonder he hide behind the Emperors' shadow instead of defending Fishman Island on his own
 
#26
Was skimming through some Act 3 chapters earlier and got to the Tobiroppo/Strawhat fights. I remember being extremely excited for these weekly, figuring that they'd be comparable to Ennies Lobby's SH matchups in terms of quality, focus, and power-ups. Obviously, that wasn't the case despite a lot of the fanbase also assuming the fights would fall into Alabasta/Ennies Lobby territory, but whatever.

Can't say I enjoy these any more than I did weekly, even now that I have the context of the full arc. Jinbe/Who's Who is fine, but the rest are serious disappointments and missed opportunities to give the weaker SHs some much needed shine. Seeing them win through such little effort despite appearing to be woefully unequipped to deal with stronger enemies just hurts the Tobiroppo as much as it does the SHs. Things like Sasaki apparently not having Haki and fighting a Haki-less Franky still bug me.

4 years later, and it still hurts that Oda couldn't restrain himself for a little and give these fights 2-3 chapters each instead of 1 just to allow them to develop properly. I can go back and reread the Alabasta/EL fights any day and feel satisfied. I can't do it with these, and I think it's a combination of the cluttered paneling and lack of narrative impact.

Does anyone feel differently? What would you have done differently to make them more impactful?
Many people in this generation weren't reading during Enies Lobby. Some weren't even born. 1999, 2001, 2005... those are the three times that the one piece fight formula reflected a highschool wrestling meet. Idk why people swear that shit must happen in every arc
 

Rej

Holy Simp
#27
Black Maria vs Nico Robin was probably the best

the other fights had room upwards, most of them felt a bit squeezed in/rushed, tho I a bit liked the whole cat mouse game between Ulti, P1 and Nami, Usopp
 
#31
Many people in this generation weren't reading during Enies Lobby. Some weren't even born. 1999, 2001, 2005... those are the three times that the one piece fight formula reflected a highschool wrestling meet. Idk why people swear that shit must happen in every arc
I think Wano would’ve been an appropriate time to return to that formula (and in some ways it made an attempt to) but I agree, people just assume that the Strawhats will get focused 1v1s in (current arc) because of recency bias. They just went through the series and caught up, so obviously Oda still writes the way he did 15+ years ago. The current hand-wringing about which Strawhat is going to fight which Holy Knight is a good example of that.
 
#32
I'm very disappointed in Jinbei.
When Crocodile called him savage fishman is he said "OK whatever" but when Who's Who called him savage fishman he get all defensive and offended.
That's prove Jinbei is a coward who bow down to abuse from those who can fight back smh
No wonder he hide behind the Emperors' shadow instead of defending Fishman Island on his own
:suresure:
 
#33
All dogshit filler fights beside the robin one

- Nami and usopps one wasn't even a fight, just running around and mothering mode shit
- Frankies was just noise, there was no plot, no personal connection nor progression
- Jimbo was there just so Nika could be portrayed as he is cool with fishmen and the lore dump
- robins was good, had a personal connection, her feeling empowered, a new side of her character, and showing off something new cool thing too

They are like 3 maybe 4 fights in the entirety of onigashima that oda didn't phone in und just vomited on the page, what a dog shit arc
 
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