General & Others 40 Years ago, were Xebec and Roger the Only Top Pirates?

[MasterD]

Brook said Roger was a Rookie atleast 52 years ago. 38 years ago is when he fought Rocks.

He fought him 40 years ago in 12 years he probably was considered an experienced pirate and his name was probably a bit more famous but I don't think he was a top pirate in the view of the world we had an explanation saing in the new world pirates with less than 500milion are still considered rookies from 600 they are considered more experienced.
Roger reached his top tier status in the last 10 years of his life when he also become Pk

 

[trav]

Yeah but they were sick. BM was just whack. Imagine Akainu replacing her. The SHs would have died in no time.

mf tells a different story.
akainu and his fellow failmirals could not take luffy out either.

 

[Rmstorm]

He fought him 40 years ago in 12 years he probably was considered an experienced pirate and his name was probably a bit more famous but I don't think he was a top pirate in the view of the world we had an explanation saing in the new world pirates with less than 500milion are still considered rookies from 600 they are considered more experienced.
Roger reached his top tier status in the last 10 years of his life when he also become Pk

He fought him 38 years ago, look at manga chapter 957. He was a top pirate back then. ATLEAST 14 years of Pirating when he took out the Rocks.

Garp and Roger vs Xebec, Whitbeard, Kaido Big Mom, 2v4 means Roger was in his prime.

He was 39 years old, Garp was 40 years old.

 

[MasterD]

Ok 38 my bad, but still i think roger wasn't yet considered top tier at least from my point of view I'm not saing his power wasn't top tier just people probably so him as an underdog. He chalanged the top dog alongside garp.

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He fought him 38 years ago, look at manga chapter 957. He was a top pirate back then. ATLEAST 14 years of Pirating when he took out the Rocks.

Garp and Roger vs Xebec, Whitbeard, Kaido Big Mom, 2v4 means Roger was in his prime.

He was 39 years old, Garp was 40 years old.

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I don't know if the 2 of us will ever agree on something :unsure: the same thing happened on the old forum

 

[Finalbeta]

mf tells a different story.
akainu and his fellow failmirals could not take luffy out either.

Akainu was managing to kill him, he was the closest at in the entire MF. It was Buggy to save him lol. Such plot armor wouldn't have occurred if Oda set it up on WCI that's why it's an hypothetical scenario, since he can't make his MC demise.

 

[Rmstorm]

Ok 38 my bad, but still i think roger wasn't yet considered top tier at least from my point of view I'm not saing his power wasn't top tier just people probably so him as an underdog. He chalanged the top dog alongside garp.

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I don't know if the 2 of us will ever agree on something :unsure: the same thing happened on the old forum

I was right, Roger was in his prime close close to his peak, 38 years ago as in chapter 962, Whitebeard in his prime was age 42, started recruiting crew members.

Other Rocks Pirates started recruiting 33 years ago as well. Roger had his crew 52+ years ago.

 

[Finalbeta]

Primebeard was probably still a thing when Roger died but his best years happened after his depart

 

[MasterD]

I was right, Roger was in his prime close to his peak, as in chapter 962, Whitebeard in his prime was age 42, started recruiting crew members.

Other Rocks Pirates started recruiting 33 years ago as well. Roger had his crew 52+ years ago.

he had probably his starting crew not the crew we saw in shanks or buggy or old man Ray's flash backs, he didn't reach his complete crew as we are seeing with Luffy it takes a while to gather a complete crew and then it takes more time to to develop power. Roger and his crew reached their peak near the end of his journey when he was declared Pk and after his fight with The Golden Lion. We can say he was in his prime 27 years ago during Edd War. I don't think we are going to agree on this argument.

And to be honest I think you are proving my argument he fought alongside Garp 38 years ago, and the other rocks started recruiting 33 years ago I can agree with you if you say he started his prime 33 years ago as well and reached is peak 27 years ago when he fought Golden Lion at the heights of his prime just when he caught his illeness, then become PK.

As for prime it starts from for 40 he have Akainu or Kizaru how are 55 and 58 years old and they are in their prime and I'll go as far as saying at the peak of their prime

 

[Rmstorm]

he had probably his starting crew not the crew we saw in shanks or buggy or old man Ray's flash backs, he didn't reach his complete crew as we are seeing with Luffy it takes a while to gather a complete crew and then it takes more time to to develop power. Roger and his crew reached their peak near the end of his journey when he was declared Pk and after his fight with The Golden Lion. We can say he was in his prime 27 years ago during Edd War. I don't think we are going to agree on this argument.

And to be honest I think you are proving my argument he fought alongside Garp 38 years ago, and the other rocks started recruiting 33 years ago I can agree with you if you say he started his prime 33 years ago as well and reached is peak 27 years ago when he fought Golden Lion at the heights of his prime just when he caught his illeness, then become PK.

As for prime it starts from for 40 he have Akainu or Kizaru how are 55 and 58 years old and they are in their prime and I'll go as far as saying at the peak of their prime

Only Shanks and Buggy, Inu and Neku were new to his crew and Cabbin boys.

The rest of the crew were with Roger for 15 years before Gods Valley, 50 years in the past.

When Roger fought Shiki he was already very sick. He fought Shiki on his FINAL VOYAGE.

His Final Voyage is when Shanks joined his crew.

Roger was in his Prime from age 29-48. He peaked at age 40-48.

After that he caught his illness and became weaker.


Rayleigh said Roger's body was being ravaged by illness, 3 years before he went on his Final Journey

Roger also visited Totoland on his Final Journey, and chose not to fight Big Mom because he was too weak to fight due to his illness.

Roger is 9 years older than Big Mom, Garp is 10 years older than Big Mom. Garp joined the marines 56 years ago.

So he, Garp and Sengoku hit their Prime a lot earlier than Big Mom, Whitebeard, and Kaido.


Roger was already a famous supernova, like Luffy more than 52 years ago when Brook was alive and sailing with the Rumbar Pirates.

 

[MasterD]

Only Shanks and Buggy, Inu and Neku were new to his crew and Cabbin boys.

The rest of the crew were with Roger 15 years before Gods Valley, 50 years in the past.

When Roger fought Shiki he was already very sick. He fought Shiki on his FINAL VOYAGE.

His Final Voyage is when Shanks joined his crew.

Roger was in his Prime from age 29-48. He peaked at age 40-48.

After that he caught his illness.


Rayleigh said Roger's body was being ravaged by illness, 3 years before he went on his Final Journey

Roger also visited Totoland on his Final Journey, and chose not to fight Big Mom because he was too weak to fight due to his illness.

Inu and neko weren't his cabin boys but let's skip that, I actually checked this before I posted and did not really on my memory, he cough his illness 3 years before his execution that is 27/28 years ago and that is when I said he was in his peak, I think we can agree on this part. he fought shiki 27 years ago.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/World_Timeline

Are you telling me that he faced the entire armada of shiki without any fear, but he was to afraid to fight big mom? A man described as fearless just decided to not fight because he was weak?

how was roger in his prime at 29, I'll will remind you that 52 years ago he was considered a rookie by Brook. If roger was still alive he would have been77 at the time mention by brook he was 25. He didn't start sealing when he was 16 like luffy he start sealing in his 20's

 

[Rmstorm]

Inu and neko weren't his cabin boys but let's skip that, I actually checked this before I posted and did not really on my memory, he cough his illness 3 years before his execution that is 27/28 years ago and that is when I said he was in his peak, I think we can agree on this part. he fought shiki 27 years ago.
https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/World_Timeline

Are you telling me that he faced the entire armada of shiki without any fear, but he was to afraid to fight big mom? A man described as fearless just decided to not fight because he was weak?

how was roger in his prime at 29, I'll will remind you that 52 years ago he was considered a rookie by Brook. If roger was still alive he would have been77 at the time mention by brook he was 25. He didn't start sealing when he was 16 like luffy he start sealing in his 20's

Yes, he started his prime at age 29, where he was around Yonko Commader level( Smoothie, Queen).

People in their prime get better until they peak.

Ace became Yonko Commander Level at age 20, 3 years after he started sailing.

Luffy became Yonko Commander Level 2 years after he started sailing.

Roger at the minumum was sailing for 4 years( most likely 6), which means he entered his prime being Yonko Comander level at age 29.

People can be Rookies for 1- 2 years.

So considering he was famous and that Garp joined the Marines 56 years ago,

Roger most likely started sailing at age 23, 54 years ago.

Also considering he had his own crew, he was bound to get stronger sailing as he was the Captain of his crew.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Roger Garp Sengoku hit Primes earlier than WB and BM
Probably in their 30s , 38 years ago they were in prime... then their peak was in golden era

 

[MasterD]

Yes, he started his prime at age 29, where he was around Yonko Commader level( Smoothie, Queen).

People in their prime get better until they peak.

Ace became Yonko Commander Level at age 20, 3 years after he started sailing.

Luffy became Yonko Commander Level 2 years after he started sailing.

Roger at the minumum was sailing for 4 years( most likely 6), which means he entered his prime being Yonko Comander level at age 29.

People can be Rookies for 1- 2 years.

So considering he was famous and that Garp joined the Marines 56 years ago,

Roger most likely started sailing at age 23, 54 years ago.

Also considering he had his own crew, he was bound to get stronger sailing as he was the Captain of his crew.

In the new world even pirates with 5 10 years of experience are still considered rookies. One leves the status of rookie when he hits a very high bounty there.
he wasn't famous man brook bearly knew his name, he build his fame over the decades, don't think at roger like you think at luffy whom just got on rampage from island on island because he had to help the people there.

 

[Rmstorm]

Roger Garp Sengoku hit Primes earlier than WB and BM
Probably in their 30s , 38 years ago they were in prime... then their peak was in golden era

Exactly, especially since they had their own crews.

Roger's first Rival was Rocks. D Xebec.

Roger and his crew are the only people to have fully explored the Whole World of One Piece. That takes a lot of time to do.

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In the new world even pirates with 5 10 years of experience are still considered rookies. One leves the status of rookie when he hits a very high bounty there.
he wasn't famous man brook bearly knew his name, he build his fame over the decades, don't think at roger like you think at luffy whom just got on rampage from island on island because he had to help the people there.

Nope, for Brook to have heard of Roger means that he was a big time Rookie, especially since Brook was sailing the Grandline.

Also, Roger was a famous Rookie like Luffy, Ace, Kidd, Hawkins, Bellamy, Caribou, Cavendish, Bege etc. @Jo_Ndule

 

[Finalbeta]

Roger Garp Sengoku hit Primes earlier than WB and BM
Probably in their 30s , 38 years ago they were in prime... then their peak was in golden era

However when Roger lived he was already fighting Primebeard for a decent amount of time so the gap ain't large

 

[Inspector_Mu]

However when Roger lived he was already fighting Primebeard for a decent amount of time so the gap ain't large

Because WB potential and peak was amazing to catch up to Roger and Co

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Were these 2 the only Top Pirates back then?

Roger was a pirate more than 53 years ago. I assume Xebec was also a pirate back then.

If not for Xebec and Roger, who were the Top Pirates back then?

38 years ago, Roger, Garp and Xebec were close to or at their Prime.

The point of the Rocks crew was specifically to gather all the top dogs of the time... We know for a day that the Rocks crew was even stronger than Roger's since Roger needed the marines to take them down

So it wouldn't make sense that there was a crew comparable to Rock's at that time given what Rocks is

 

[Shanks Joestar]

Only Xebec...

Roger becoming a top pirate Just After the fight with him