It was a powerup in the sense that it forced Zoro to train his Haki to the point where he could control it
There's also the fact that he wants to make it permanently Black so once could argue that losing his only Permanently Black sword gave him the motivation to train his Haki beyond it's limit so he could have a Black sword again
There's also the fact that he wants to make it permanently Black so once could argue that losing his only Permanently Black sword gave him the motivation to train his Haki beyond it's limit so he could have a Black sword again
You can't compare meito to rs, swords needs a skill not to mention meito who they said "Not for the weak", as for rs it's just lazy powerup without requiring anything if everyone compatible with it then the said everyone got powerup even if not fighter... Sanji is legit fodder eh with the need of rs to keep up lol
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Well, i don't think there is something i can add that wasn't said before. Enma as itself is not a power-up. It forced Zoro to train his Haki Control so he would be able to wield it. Take Enma away and give him Shusui and nothing's gonna change. His PU is better CoA control (though i don't know what exactly it needs for), not Enma.
RS is a power up. It instantly increased Sanji's speed, maneuverability, durability and more. It allows him to turn invisible and increases his flying capability.
Enma is not a power up. Now, will Zoro grow stronger from using enma? Of course you will. Enma is an untamed sword that is hard to control. Learning to control it allows him to grow stronger. Understand, you can't turn a black blade into a black blade but you can turn a normal blade into a black blade.
The best way to understand the difference between RS and Enma is to take them away from Zoro and Sanji. Sanji, if given a normal suit, would a lose a lot of power, strength and ability. While Zoro, if given a normal sword, wouldn't lose any strength or power.
Enma is not a power up. Now, will Zoro grow stronger from using enma? Of course you will. Enma is an untamed sword that is hard to control. Learning to control it allows him to grow stronger. Understand, you can't turn a black blade into a black blade but you can turn a normal blade into a black blade.
The best way to understand the difference between RS and Enma is to take them away from Zoro and Sanji. Sanji, if given a normal suit, would a lose a lot of power, strength and ability. While Zoro, if given a normal sword, wouldn't lose any strength or power.
Zoro has to trade in his strongest sword, Shusui, for Enma. They're also both the same grade while Shusui is also a black blade. You'd have more of an argument if he traded in Sandai Kitetsu, and instead currently had Wado, Shusui and Enma.
Zoro's arm is drained when first using the sword. Then he tames it and has to train with it in order to get stronger. I like this comparison others have used so I'll mention it too. If you went to the gym, and built up muscle, would you credit the results to the weights or your own hard work?
Enma is simply a tool that serves as a means for Zoro to power up through hard work and training. It's not a free power up and any increase in power Zoro gets would be a result of his actual training with the sword, not the sword itself.
The only other argument I've seen is that Enma is a Great Grade blade in base while Shusui is a Great Grade blade after being blackened. Yes, Enma as a sword holds more potential than Shusui, but even Hitetsu says this is dependent on Zoro
So when it happens, he will have earned it through his own merit.
Zoro's arm is drained when first using the sword. Then he tames it and has to train with it in order to get stronger. I like this comparison others have used so I'll mention it too. If you went to the gym, and built up muscle, would you credit the results to the weights or your own hard work?
Enma is simply a tool that serves as a means for Zoro to power up through hard work and training. It's not a free power up and any increase in power Zoro gets would be a result of his actual training with the sword, not the sword itself.
The only other argument I've seen is that Enma is a Great Grade blade in base while Shusui is a Great Grade blade after being blackened. Yes, Enma as a sword holds more potential than Shusui, but even Hitetsu says this is dependent on Zoro
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You are changing the term power up to only suit what Sanji received in this arc.
Both are power-ups, difference is one is earned (Enma) through his own already existing skills (if that was not relevant, anybody else would have already used Enma, they can´t, at least in Wa No), one is unearned that is an instant stat booster only accessible to him because of his family and blood.
Emna is definely a powerup, mastering it makes you stronger since you need to improve your Haki controll in order to do soo. Soo even if Zoro loses Emna he is stronger than he was before mastering it.
Yeah, if the question itself if "is emna by itself a powerup" thats debatable, since there are theories that Zoro takes strenght from the curse of the blades, and Emna curse is definely a strong one. Plus, soo what if the sword is a powerup, you need to be strong in order to use it and you need to train to master it...Its not a cheap upgrate like getting a power ranger suit from your daddy, who you hate.
I dont think Zoro can bring out the same ammount of damage with ANY blade though, if you give him some unnamed shit tier swords, obviously he wont do as well as he would do with a graded blade.
I dont think Zoro can bring out the same ammount of damage with ANY blade though, if you give him some unnamed shit tier swords, obviously he wont do as well as he would do with a graded blade.
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Yes Zoro jumped 5 tiers with Enma which is arguably the weaker weapon between itself and Shusui which is a black blade, and 1 week worth of breathing exercises.
Do you want people to agree with this since it fits your headcannon?
Or-
Zoro was already this strong.
Which one do you think Oda was trying to portray here?
Do you want people to agree with this since it fits your headcannon?
Or-
Zoro was already this strong.
Which one do you think Oda was trying to portray here?
