A generation of weak men
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@Blax Blah Some AI summary, basically they(scientists) interpreted a test wrong long ago, and the myth of microplastics on our bodies was born:
While high-profile studies initially claimed microplastics were everywhere in human organs, scientists are currently debating these findings. Researchers have highlighted that natural fats can cause false positives in testing, leading to a vigorous scientific debate over how much plastic is actually inside us. [1, 2, 3]
While researchers work to establish better detection methods, it is widely accepted that plastic is ubiquitous in our environment, including the food we eat and the air we breathe. However, the exact extent to which these particles accumulate or clear out of the body is still being investigated
While high-profile studies initially claimed microplastics were everywhere in human organs, scientists are currently debating these findings. Researchers have highlighted that natural fats can cause false positives in testing, leading to a vigorous scientific debate over how much plastic is actually inside us. [1, 2, 3]
While researchers work to establish better detection methods, it is widely accepted that plastic is ubiquitous in our environment, including the food we eat and the air we breathe. However, the exact extent to which these particles accumulate or clear out of the body is still being investigated
Interesting
Imo what gives it away is that the person claiming microplastics were doing all this, claimed that they got way worse after 2010, and increased the decrease in testosterone projection from 1% per year, to 2.5% per year
But between 2010 and 2020, obesity rates also skyrocketed, and obesity is the number 1 thing that decreases test
So it's like really?
Imo what gives it away is that the person claiming microplastics were doing all this, claimed that they got way worse after 2010, and increased the decrease in testosterone projection from 1% per year, to 2.5% per year
But between 2010 and 2020, obesity rates also skyrocketed, and obesity is the number 1 thing that decreases test
So it's like really?
I didn't know scientists already debunked the microplastics thing
I was just looking at it like, these trends coincide, and it's way more likely that the explosion in the rates of the nr 1 killer of testosterone are responsible for this, and not microplastics, which at best would be tiny interference, yet were framed as the main driver
I was just looking at it like, these trends coincide, and it's way more likely that the explosion in the rates of the nr 1 killer of testosterone are responsible for this, and not microplastics, which at best would be tiny interference, yet were framed as the main driver
@NAMELESS what is old/past for you? Because there is old/past from 20 years ago, 50 years ago, 100's, 1000's... And every single of them had different crisis, things to worry for...
Society is overall improving in every way possible. The biggest difference from today's society and before is internet. We see things we didn't before. All those things you are complaining here you mostly see only on internet and never in your every day life if you go touch some grass.
@Blax Blah you are being too shallow on how testosterone works. Is not like going beyond natural boderline and turn into estrogen. Only when you stop taking test you get such result because your body stops producing natural testosterone.
Society is overall improving in every way possible. The biggest difference from today's society and before is internet. We see things we didn't before. All those things you are complaining here you mostly see only on internet and never in your every day life if you go touch some grass.
@Blax Blah you are being too shallow on how testosterone works. Is not like going beyond natural boderline and turn into estrogen. Only when you stop taking test you get such result because your body stops producing natural testosterone.
There is something important to understand within the notion of genre is that concepts like masculinity or femininity are social constructions. I know, it's a little bit hard to picture because we have lived with these concepts all our lives, but it's true.
In fact, many things that we think are naturals are actually social constructions. For exemple, our facial expressions and the impression related on these experiences are often social constructs they are not as universal as it may seem. The concept of the nuclear family is another exemple, this concept was created over time through sedenterisation but at the beginning, children were raised in groups. That's actually one things that the left wants to return to (me included) as the nuclear family favorizes domination and the reclusion of violences inside the family through institutionnal barrieres without the possibility for real exterior people to help victims. Propriety is another example, it came at the beginning of the neolithic and the beginning of patriarchy and early "sedentary civilisations" (it's also linked to the nuclear family i just talked about)
So talking about masculinity or feminity in a natural sense doesn't really make sense. In fact, even sexual characteristics are on a spectrum that people tend to ignore and even within them, the notion of division between "male" and "female" is a political choice pushed by the hegemony of patriarchy.
People are simply who they are. And we should not question someone when they say to the point of sometimes crying "I'm more "this" or "that"" because usually, the constructions that shape identities goes beyond the boundaries of the binary of "women" and "men". SO when we restrict that potentiality when a person actually goes beyond the binarity, we are actually ignoring the natural and social process that pushed the person to become who they are are we are forcing the binarity onto them.
As a result, what these people live (when we try to force the binarity on them) is a form of torture. Plain and simple. It can be trans people, it can be non binary people, it can be women or men it doesn't matter, the spectrum of violent that will be felt will differ, but the violence will be there.
As for pushing genre role onto us (like pushing masculinity on me since I am a man, through either incel rethorics for ex..). Well the effect will be also destructive. Not because of identity this time but simply because as humans, we are not constructed to fit perfectly into a single narrow vision of masculinity or feminity. In reality, we are all fluid and our experiences shape who we are.
Some men get stuck into this mindset of the "right" masculinity, mostly because of the pressure of patriarchy, sometimes for years.. but in return, they will also lose the ability to feel, to love, to be empathetic. They will developp anger issue, a lack of control etc. Especially when they will try to control everything through things like stoicism and so on...
But we are not made to be emotionnless, we are not made to be just all calm or all angry, we are not made to be angry inside all the time and refrain these feeling in a seek for more control over ourselves. We are humans. Through our evolution, we became fluid in our feeling and personnalities and it gave us the potential of survival.
Feeling is a human. Crying is divine.
If you need testosterone for health reasons, go ahead, but be careful not to do it to be more manly if you are already a cis-man. Politically, the road to more testosterone can also lead to a dangerous masculinist trap. You gotta keep that in mind.
As for this thread, people like the OP or Nameless are trying to essentialize behavior to either the woman or men identity ("women are hysterical etc."). This type of rethoric is directly linked to the incels and masculinistic mindset, both pressure by the worst aspect of patriarchy.
Essentializing women as vengefull, cunning or trickery is a way for men to maintain material control over women. You will for example see Nameless and his reactionnary budies like Bob or Herrera talk about the "cunning women who create fake allegations of rapes". Usually on the basis of very few testimonies, a justice system that is fundamentally compromised by patriarcal biases and a complete ignorance of the reality of the cases of call-outs :
Being that women are actually always the ones put in danger socially and professionnaly when they push a call-out and the fact that the cases of actual fake allegations compared to real ones are just a few % (and even in these cases, the lack of proof and courts dropping cases are counted within this very few %)
So basically, we always have to be very careful as men, when talking about masculinity, because, as men, our material interests to maintain our masculinities are directly linked to our "material interest" to maintain the power over women. One can't go without the other.
For when we say "don't be feminine" we actually say "don't be a woman or you will lose your control and be on a path toward subjugation"
BE CLOSE TO THE FEMININE REPRESENTATION YOU HAVE OF FEMINITY IF YOU WANT. It's a GOOD thing. When I was young I tried to old back my tears thinking that it was not manly enough and now I cry everyday when I watch my shows and it makes me feel good and I'm not less of a man or human because of it. I am who I am.
In fact, many things that we think are naturals are actually social constructions. For exemple, our facial expressions and the impression related on these experiences are often social constructs they are not as universal as it may seem. The concept of the nuclear family is another exemple, this concept was created over time through sedenterisation but at the beginning, children were raised in groups. That's actually one things that the left wants to return to (me included) as the nuclear family favorizes domination and the reclusion of violences inside the family through institutionnal barrieres without the possibility for real exterior people to help victims. Propriety is another example, it came at the beginning of the neolithic and the beginning of patriarchy and early "sedentary civilisations" (it's also linked to the nuclear family i just talked about)
So talking about masculinity or feminity in a natural sense doesn't really make sense. In fact, even sexual characteristics are on a spectrum that people tend to ignore and even within them, the notion of division between "male" and "female" is a political choice pushed by the hegemony of patriarchy.
People are simply who they are. And we should not question someone when they say to the point of sometimes crying "I'm more "this" or "that"" because usually, the constructions that shape identities goes beyond the boundaries of the binary of "women" and "men". SO when we restrict that potentiality when a person actually goes beyond the binarity, we are actually ignoring the natural and social process that pushed the person to become who they are are we are forcing the binarity onto them.
As a result, what these people live (when we try to force the binarity on them) is a form of torture. Plain and simple. It can be trans people, it can be non binary people, it can be women or men it doesn't matter, the spectrum of violent that will be felt will differ, but the violence will be there.
As for pushing genre role onto us (like pushing masculinity on me since I am a man, through either incel rethorics for ex..). Well the effect will be also destructive. Not because of identity this time but simply because as humans, we are not constructed to fit perfectly into a single narrow vision of masculinity or feminity. In reality, we are all fluid and our experiences shape who we are.
Some men get stuck into this mindset of the "right" masculinity, mostly because of the pressure of patriarchy, sometimes for years.. but in return, they will also lose the ability to feel, to love, to be empathetic. They will developp anger issue, a lack of control etc. Especially when they will try to control everything through things like stoicism and so on...
But we are not made to be emotionnless, we are not made to be just all calm or all angry, we are not made to be angry inside all the time and refrain these feeling in a seek for more control over ourselves. We are humans. Through our evolution, we became fluid in our feeling and personnalities and it gave us the potential of survival.
Feeling is a human. Crying is divine.
If you need testosterone for health reasons, go ahead, but be careful not to do it to be more manly if you are already a cis-man. Politically, the road to more testosterone can also lead to a dangerous masculinist trap. You gotta keep that in mind.
As for this thread, people like the OP or Nameless are trying to essentialize behavior to either the woman or men identity ("women are hysterical etc."). This type of rethoric is directly linked to the incels and masculinistic mindset, both pressure by the worst aspect of patriarchy.
Essentializing women as vengefull, cunning or trickery is a way for men to maintain material control over women. You will for example see Nameless and his reactionnary budies like Bob or Herrera talk about the "cunning women who create fake allegations of rapes". Usually on the basis of very few testimonies, a justice system that is fundamentally compromised by patriarcal biases and a complete ignorance of the reality of the cases of call-outs :
Being that women are actually always the ones put in danger socially and professionnaly when they push a call-out and the fact that the cases of actual fake allegations compared to real ones are just a few % (and even in these cases, the lack of proof and courts dropping cases are counted within this very few %)
So basically, we always have to be very careful as men, when talking about masculinity, because, as men, our material interests to maintain our masculinities are directly linked to our "material interest" to maintain the power over women. One can't go without the other.
For when we say "don't be feminine" we actually say "don't be a woman or you will lose your control and be on a path toward subjugation"
BE CLOSE TO THE FEMININE REPRESENTATION YOU HAVE OF FEMINITY IF YOU WANT. It's a GOOD thing. When I was young I tried to old back my tears thinking that it was not manly enough and now I cry everyday when I watch my shows and it makes me feel good and I'm not less of a man or human because of it. I am who I am.
It is a well-established science that women feel more negative feelings, are more neurotic, and are more agreeable on average. But, sure, go right ahead with social construction rhetoric. I guess neurology, psychiatry, and psychology are incel/masculinist too.
I'm dropping this here for those that are willing to learn:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...racteristics_across_countries_and_ethnicities
"Method HEXACO‐PI‐R self‐reports were collected online from persons in 48 countries (N = 347,192). Results (1) Women averaged substantially higher than men in Emotionality and in Honesty‐Humility, with (sample‐unweighted) mean differences across countries of d = 0.84 and d = 0.37, respectively;"
I'm dropping this here for those that are willing to learn:
https://www.researchgate.net/public...racteristics_across_countries_and_ethnicities
"Method HEXACO‐PI‐R self‐reports were collected online from persons in 48 countries (N = 347,192). Results (1) Women averaged substantially higher than men in Emotionality and in Honesty‐Humility, with (sample‐unweighted) mean differences across countries of d = 0.84 and d = 0.37, respectively;"
My guy, all of you were going off-topic with that rant about LGBTQ+ and effeminate men. The whole thread is about how hysterical the modern man is, not about gay or frail-looking men. Learn to fucking read before trying to be a smartass. I took my time already explaining this for the functionality illiterate that hang around here. Don't make me talk to myself 7 times more.
On the contrary. The presence of a group allows for a stronger social pressure to prevent these types of domination.
First it's improtant to understand that pedophilia is a result of two domination system, not an illness or a pathological "feeling" that is uncontrollable. Activist on the left have long researched this domination. Pedophilia, as I explained in the political thread, is a result of the intersection of patriarchy (the domination of men over women) and adultism (the domination of adults over children). Each person on earth has the potential to be like that within the realm of an education where the limits are not created or there are already forms of abuses or dominations.
You should also know that the abolition of families are precisely asked by activist who have been victims of pedophiles, usually by family members since most cases are within that circle.
The creation of communities in which children would be raised by multiple people would prevent the omerta to form and create a buffer to help victim. But most of all it would also twist on its head the patriarchy which is the main component (with adultism) of adultist violence on children.
(and it would not help only the childre, but the women too who are at risk within the nuclear family). In reality, it's not really a question of if and rather a question of when. A communal form of education (which is present in some cultures and in the early age of humanity) in bound to come back. It's simply the most effective and safest way to raise children within a collective.
It's not. Social construction mean that behaviors are CONSTRUCTION SOCIALLY. Even when they are hegemonic.
Psychology and psychiatry have been created and put into motions by Nazi my boy. All the dominations systems that shape our world (racism, capitalism, patriarchy, eugenism, sanism etc..) are DEEPLY integrated into the core of the mindset of both these practice.
Both activities are not sciences, they are interpretative (meaning that someone will look at you and your story and deliver a diagnosis based on specific sets of model mixed with their own interpretative biases). In other word, they have a guidebook and they try to deliver conclusion of pathologies that often do not exist.
The role of psychology and psychiatry are simple : To get you back on the production lines.
Remember when you or your little buddies reapetitively said to me "you do nothing all day, you do nothing for society, you are a parazite"? Well.. this eugenistic mindset is directly linked to the pressure capitalism creates. And capitalism also influences both psychiatry and psychology in the sense that the pathologization is used in order to INDIVIDUALIZE a situation of suffering.
Basically it tells to people "if you are X or if you do X, it's because you are ill.... and we can fix you to go back on the production line".
This is a form of depoliticization. The psychological institution strips aways the condition in which these suffering are created. For example, a lot of poeple develop skyzophrenia after a BIG trauma, usually linked to childhood abuse. What will do the institution is try to "correct" these skyzophrenic behavior, often to ease the pain of the patient but most of all to get them back to work.
But by doing that, they completely ignore two things:
- There are systems of dominations (adultism, patriarchy) that can repeatetively create abuse and therefore traumas
- Skyzophrenia is a RESPONSE to trauma. A way for the brain to balance the violence created by the abuse. As such, it needs to be taken not as something to fix, but as a part of a person, a part that change and can't be changed back.
This is just an exemple of course, there are thousands. And i'm not even talking about internalization and the abuses linked to this practice.
So yes. Psychiatry and psychology are considered by activists, victims of abuse and psychiatrized persons like me as OPPRESSIVE INSTITUTIONS that must be abolished to be replaced by networks of psychiatrized peers and collective struction to help eachothers. We must take back the control the institution has on our lives, our legitimacy and our path to get better.
I for example, stopped seeing my psychiatrist a few years ago. Mostly because they were putting me in actual danger with the medication. And yet, my situation has improved.
As for neurology, it does not postulate fundamental biological differences of behavior in function of sexual characteristics or gender. (even your studies does not postulate that). In reality - in this might surprise you - the material condition of existence will shape who you become.
Also: the notion of "hysteria" is now considered obsolete within psychiatry as an old artefact of patriarchy. For hysteria as a pathology is mostly used by men to delegitimize the words of women (just like you are doing right now) people started to notice and they scrapped it. There are no "hysterical women". If a women is screaming, it's often for a good reason, and if you are on a receiving end, you might be the reason.
So when you say "men are too hysterical", you are actually applying to men a behavior you think women have, a behavior that is unwarranted (for you) and not worth your consideration. So you pathologize said behavior and, within your rethoric about masculinity, you apply this pathologization to regain control of a certain form of masculinity through your "right" lens.
I'm sure you would say that I'm hysterical because I go on tengant on your ass, but trust me, I'm in full control of my anger and I have a very good reason to destroy your argumentation.
When I say "be humble" it's and invitation to replace yourself within the material reality of your surrounding and try to analyze how your material conditions of existence can actually shape your relationships and your ethics. You are not a far rightist because you have the right knowledge or the right mindset. Nooooo
You are a reactionnary, because your material condition led you to adopt that specific mindset with all the sub beliefs that come with it. And this mindset is structured and maintain by your own material interests (that can vary). A white person won't listen to people telling them that they are racists and someone who was raised within capitalism and was successfull in it, will have the itnerest to defend this system.
I was like you once, but my material conditions changed and my interests with them. Now, I need to understand the world to survive.
I suggest you do the same.
First it's improtant to understand that pedophilia is a result of two domination system, not an illness or a pathological "feeling" that is uncontrollable. Activist on the left have long researched this domination. Pedophilia, as I explained in the political thread, is a result of the intersection of patriarchy (the domination of men over women) and adultism (the domination of adults over children). Each person on earth has the potential to be like that within the realm of an education where the limits are not created or there are already forms of abuses or dominations.
You should also know that the abolition of families are precisely asked by activist who have been victims of pedophiles, usually by family members since most cases are within that circle.
The creation of communities in which children would be raised by multiple people would prevent the omerta to form and create a buffer to help victim. But most of all it would also twist on its head the patriarchy which is the main component (with adultism) of adultist violence on children.
(and it would not help only the childre, but the women too who are at risk within the nuclear family). In reality, it's not really a question of if and rather a question of when. A communal form of education (which is present in some cultures and in the early age of humanity) in bound to come back. It's simply the most effective and safest way to raise children within a collective.
It's not. Social construction mean that behaviors are CONSTRUCTION SOCIALLY. Even when they are hegemonic.
Psychology and psychiatry have been created and put into motions by Nazi my boy. All the dominations systems that shape our world (racism, capitalism, patriarchy, eugenism, sanism etc..) are DEEPLY integrated into the core of the mindset of both these practice.
Both activities are not sciences, they are interpretative (meaning that someone will look at you and your story and deliver a diagnosis based on specific sets of model mixed with their own interpretative biases). In other word, they have a guidebook and they try to deliver conclusion of pathologies that often do not exist.
The role of psychology and psychiatry are simple : To get you back on the production lines.
Remember when you or your little buddies reapetitively said to me "you do nothing all day, you do nothing for society, you are a parazite"? Well.. this eugenistic mindset is directly linked to the pressure capitalism creates. And capitalism also influences both psychiatry and psychology in the sense that the pathologization is used in order to INDIVIDUALIZE a situation of suffering.
Basically it tells to people "if you are X or if you do X, it's because you are ill.... and we can fix you to go back on the production line".
This is a form of depoliticization. The psychological institution strips aways the condition in which these suffering are created. For example, a lot of poeple develop skyzophrenia after a BIG trauma, usually linked to childhood abuse. What will do the institution is try to "correct" these skyzophrenic behavior, often to ease the pain of the patient but most of all to get them back to work.
But by doing that, they completely ignore two things:
- There are systems of dominations (adultism, patriarchy) that can repeatetively create abuse and therefore traumas
- Skyzophrenia is a RESPONSE to trauma. A way for the brain to balance the violence created by the abuse. As such, it needs to be taken not as something to fix, but as a part of a person, a part that change and can't be changed back.
This is just an exemple of course, there are thousands. And i'm not even talking about internalization and the abuses linked to this practice.
So yes. Psychiatry and psychology are considered by activists, victims of abuse and psychiatrized persons like me as OPPRESSIVE INSTITUTIONS that must be abolished to be replaced by networks of psychiatrized peers and collective struction to help eachothers. We must take back the control the institution has on our lives, our legitimacy and our path to get better.
I for example, stopped seeing my psychiatrist a few years ago. Mostly because they were putting me in actual danger with the medication. And yet, my situation has improved.
As for neurology, it does not postulate fundamental biological differences of behavior in function of sexual characteristics or gender. (even your studies does not postulate that). In reality - in this might surprise you - the material condition of existence will shape who you become.
Also: the notion of "hysteria" is now considered obsolete within psychiatry as an old artefact of patriarchy. For hysteria as a pathology is mostly used by men to delegitimize the words of women (just like you are doing right now) people started to notice and they scrapped it. There are no "hysterical women". If a women is screaming, it's often for a good reason, and if you are on a receiving end, you might be the reason.
So when you say "men are too hysterical", you are actually applying to men a behavior you think women have, a behavior that is unwarranted (for you) and not worth your consideration. So you pathologize said behavior and, within your rethoric about masculinity, you apply this pathologization to regain control of a certain form of masculinity through your "right" lens.
I'm sure you would say that I'm hysterical because I go on tengant on your ass, but trust me, I'm in full control of my anger and I have a very good reason to destroy your argumentation.
When I say "be humble" it's and invitation to replace yourself within the material reality of your surrounding and try to analyze how your material conditions of existence can actually shape your relationships and your ethics. You are not a far rightist because you have the right knowledge or the right mindset. Nooooo
You are a reactionnary, because your material condition led you to adopt that specific mindset with all the sub beliefs that come with it. And this mindset is structured and maintain by your own material interests (that can vary). A white person won't listen to people telling them that they are racists and someone who was raised within capitalism and was successfull in it, will have the itnerest to defend this system.
I was like you once, but my material conditions changed and my interests with them. Now, I need to understand the world to survive.
I suggest you do the same.