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Is KOH Separate From ACOC?


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#41
Recent thread about Wano PUs showed that even Zoro fans are divided between whether they consider KOH a separate PU from ACoC or not.

I personally think that ACoC and KoH are different PUs, KoH is a utilization of ACoC but it is in itself separate from just ACoC.

It's like Zoro's versions of powerups:
  1. One sword style
  2. Two sword style
  3. Three sword style
  4. Nine sword style (Asura)
  5. KOH Three sword style

Additionally KOH Rengoku Onigiri and KOH DD are used with clear KOH announcement/name but Bird Dance is not called KOH Bird Dance even when ACoC is clearly shown. It can be argued though that KOH was not added to Bird Dance that it was a quick counter move and not a prepped move like the other two and hence why KOH was not added.
KoH is the combination of green fire + Acoc
But zoro can use Acoc without the need of KoH when he did the bird dance for example and when King tried to took his swords
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He didn't even mention "King of hell " here
 
#43
You forgot the green smoke/fire. It's related to KoH, which means KoH is a separate upgrade by itself, since the green thing isn't Haki.
Ye, was thinking whether it is haki or not, it is basically the same overflowing thing when he was using enma.

It's just smaller because its now equally distributed with his three swords.

But if it is something else, it might be connected to forging black blades.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
#44
Clearly different things.
aCoC and KOH are two separate things.
KOH is Zoro-unique thing. Nobody else has it.

Bird Dance was coated in aCoC, that wasnt KOH.
KOH needs aCoC but aCoC doesnt need KOH.
aCoC is normal CoC coating that handful of very strongest can do.

King of Hell is the supreme haki state that includes CoA at full release as well.
And only Zoro has shown it so far. KOH is far superior to aCoC alone.
In the end, Zoro built different as always. :catrude:
 
#45
What? This makes no sense. Luffy wouldn’t have a DF awakening without having his df… Are you saying Zoro wouldn’t have CoC or AdvCoC without Enma? You know, CoC, that ability people are born with
Did you quote incorrectly?
I don't understand what you're referring to, the quoted sentence & your reply is totally different thing.
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Ye, was thinking whether it is haki or not, it is basically the same overflowing thing when he was using enma.

It's just smaller because its now equally distributed with his three swords.

But if it is something else, it might be connected to forging black blades.
I heard somewhere that those green thing is similar to Brook's. Maybe both refers to underworld, death, etc. Makes sense with the King of Hell theme. What do you think?
 
#46
Also If rooftop zoro and luffy are on the same level, luffy got ahead with ad coc temporarily then zoro not only caught up later but surpassed luffy with koh and dragon styles. Its luffy who needed to catch up with gear 5 not the other way around. People have that delusion of luffy being stronger because he was the only one left fighting kaido, had zoro got another opportunity to fight kaido he will trash every feats luffy had against the supreme dragon bar maybe barjin gun. Next step is for luffy and zoro to fight at top tier level using just ad coc and no style/gear to boost their attack. Then when they add koh, gear 5 it will push them above the legends.
 
#48
Recent thread about Wano PUs showed that even Zoro fans are divided between whether they consider KOH a separate PU from ACoC or not.

I personally think that ACoC and KoH are different PUs, KoH is a utilization of ACoC but it is in itself separate from just ACoC.

It's like Zoro's versions of powerups:
  1. One sword style
  2. Two sword style
  3. Three sword style
  4. Nine sword style (Asura)
  5. KOH Three sword style

Additionally KOH Rengoku Onigiri and KOH DD are used with clear KOH announcement/name but Bird Dance is not called KOH Bird Dance even when ACoC is clearly shown. It can be argued though that KOH was not added to Bird Dance that it was a quick counter move and not a prepped move like the other two and hence why KOH was not added.
Yes.

ACoC is just infusing or coating attacks/weapons with CoC.

KoH is ACoC plus overwhelming amounts of CoA haki, which can be easy identified by the smoke coming off his swords.

Dragon style uses maximum amount of ACoC haki.

KoH and dragon style can be using with any other sword style. IE KoH one sword style.
 
#50
base Zoro Is solid mid Top Tier with basic ad coc, Koh Zoro Is High Top Tier same with Oden above the admiral and on the same level with yonko, Koh Asura make him stronger than oden. Poeple mistake blade blade as a power that is needed for Zoro to be top tier cause he still need to fight mihawk but no it will only make him no longer dependant of Koh by becoming as strong as shanks in base, in other words koh will become a trump card that put zoro completely above every top tier even the legend and on the same level as the mythical ancian warriors. Asura will be beyond divine tier by that point.
 
#52
Yes, this is a topic which many found confusing, because Zoro getting advanced conquerors haki also coincided with Zoro getting KoH

I initially had the perception that KoH was simply Zoro using advanced conquerors haki as well.

But after seeing and taking part in few discussions here, I became convinced that KoH is separate from advanced conquerors haki, in that it is a mode overusing advanced conquerors haki and advanced armament haki. Similar to how G4 is a mode overusing armament haki.
I guess I have @nik87 to thank for that lol.

But yes, they are related in that without advanced conquerors haki, there is no KoH mode. Since it's a mode that overuses both the advanced haki.
 
#54
base Zoro Is solid mid Top Tier with basic ad coc, Koh Zoro Is High Top Tier same with Oden above the admiral and on the same level with yonko, Koh Asura make him stronger than oden. Poeple mistake blade blade as a power that is needed for Zoro to be top tier cause he still need to fight mihawk but no it will only make him no longer dependant of Koh by becoming as strong as shanks in base, in other words koh will become a trump card that put zoro completely above every top tier even the legend and on the same level as the mythical ancian warriors. Asura will be beyond divine tier by that point.
I believe you have a point. I've asked myself why Oda has Zoro using some much CoA haki smoke is coming from his sword.

I believe part of the reason is for us readers to know when Zoro is using CoA haki after he turn his swords into black blade. Zoro with black blades probably won't need to use CoA haki very often.
 
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#57
base Zoro Is solid mid Top Tier with basic ad coc, Koh Zoro Is High Top Tier same with Oden above the admiral and on the same level with yonko, Koh Asura make him stronger than oden. Poeple mistake blade blade as a power that is needed for Zoro to be top tier cause he still need to fight mihawk but no it will only make him no longer dependant of Koh by becoming as strong as shanks in base, in other words koh will become a trump card that put zoro completely above every top tier even the legend and on the same level as the mythical ancian warriors. Asura will be beyond divine tier by that point.
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#59
Yes, this is a topic which many found confusing, because Zoro getting advanced conquerors haki also coincided with Zoro getting KoH

I initially had the perception that KoH was simply Zoro using advanced conquerors haki as well.

But after seeing and taking part in few discussions here, I became convinced that KoH is separate from advanced conquerors haki, in that it is a mode overusing advanced conquerors haki and advanced armament haki. Similar to how G4 is a mode overusing armament haki.
I guess I have @nik87 to thank for that lol.

But yes, they are related in that without advanced conquerors haki, there is no KoH mode. Since it's a mode that overuses both the advanced haki.
Hence why I rate Zoro much higher than you, you are waiting for him to show feats against a top tier but the only true fight Zoro got after Pica was at RT.

KOH is way above just ACoC. Confusing ACoC and KOH to be the same thing has led to these weird assumptions as Zoro can only use for a small time. People are forgetting that haki transcends all, it is the reason why the top tiers are filled with hakimen like Roger, Shanks, Oden, Rayleigh, Mihawk and Garp and why these guys are equal if not stronger than DF users.
 
#60
Oda did with Zoro something similar to luffy's crude and clumsy use of CoC.
KoH Onigiri and Bird dance were the clumsy versions of CoC coating while dragon damnation was the real deal, the difference here is that he didn't have enough time to make it seem more organic.
 
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