Powers & Abilities A Question for Zoro fans

[m0nst3Rx]

To this day I still don't understand his green fire/smoke/cloud/whatever. Is it CoA, CoC, or other unique aura?

I think anime debunked this. Narrative told "zoro summons hell fires to his sword" or smt like that. So it is indeed fire

 

[RoronoaZorro]

But Zoro is different from Sanji and Luffy. If you take the "tools" from the Cook and Goofy, they will lose a lot of power. Take the Enma from Zoro and give him any other blade, he is still able to use KoH mode.

Wrong equivalency.

CoC - CoC - Exo (internal)
Sword - DF - RS (external)

 

[langitbarat]

But Zoro is different from Sanji and Luffy. If you take the "tools" from the Cook and Goofy, they will lose a lot of power. Take the Enma from Zoro and give him any other blade, he is still able to use KoH mode.

I'm just saying, because all of KoH mode's techniques have ACoC, then it's the same as Ifrit who require activating Exoskeleton.

Alternatively, it's true, Sanji without Exoskeleton is like low Commander level or even only top Veteran.

 

[BleakAsh]

How i see it is zoro conquering enma with Coc primarily then flowing haki to his other swords is what makes it KOH

without enma there is no KOH

coz enma is KOH
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So its like Coc and Enma should be mutually inclusive for it to be called KOH

 

[Blazing Lion]

How i see it is zoro conquering enma with Coc primarily then flowing haki to his other swords is what makes it KOH

without enma there is no KOH

coz enma is KOH
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So its like Coc and Enma should be mutually inclusive for it to be called KOH

My question is less about Enma and more about can Zoro use ACoC like Kaido, Luffy, Yamato etc. in basic no named attacks or not.

 

[сука]

Honestly I don't give a shit. When I saw Zoro use KoH I just thought ok cool, that's how he decided to name this move.

 

[BleakAsh]

My question is less about Enma and more about can Zoro use ACoC like Kaido, Luffy, Yamato etc. in basic no named attacks or not.

Should be able to, unless you think enma is an agent that helps him channel Coc through other blades. He seemed to be voluntarily in control of Coc when he started unleashing all his haki

Its BIZZARE but enma being an agent is unlikely and not logical.. he somehow managed to awaken Acoc, in the sense that he imbued coc, after unleashing his haki and got the hang of it immediately without unleashing as opposed to only being able to activate it while unleashing.

So i think i get where the title of this thread comes from. IN ESSENCE, unleashing his haki + Acoc is KOH.. not just Acoc itself independently, right?


That just makes KOH BROKEN

 

[Blazing Lion]

Should be able to, unless you think enma is an agent that helps him channel Coc through other blades. He seemed to be voluntarily in control of Coc when he started unleashing all his haki

Its BIZZARE but enma being an agent is unlikely and not logical.. he somehow managed to awaken Acoc, in the sense that he imbued coc, after unleashing his haki and got the hang of it immediately without unleashing as opposed to only being able to activate it while unleashing.

So i think i get where the title of this thread comes from. IN ESSENCE, unleashing his haki + Acoc is KOH.. not just Acoc itself independently, right?


That just makes KOH BROKEN

So we agree that ACoC only and KOH are two different things and can be accepted as different PUs?

KOH is what I think was somewhat suggested towards when Zoro said that he will become stronger once he masters Enma or gets used to it. Can Zoro enter KOH state with Shusui instead of Enma (I think so since he can release haki like that) but will we ever get that answer? Nope. Enma is going to stay until the end. Zoro turning it into a black blade is already hinted. Sandai and Enma are the only swords that have tested Zoro in some way, Luck vs Curse and power/haki for Enma.

KOH is broken.

 

[Vanlax]

KOH = Santoryu + AdvCOC

Zoro's powerup was only AdvCOC.

KOH is just a name for his mode when he is constantly applying advCOC to his Santoryu mode.

 

[Redboy776]

Zoro doesnt have a devil fruit so Oda had to come up a similar PUs like gear 5 for him, the ultimate fightning style using swordsmanship and that is KOH, its unique and its main trait are the hellfire. Ad Coc Is separate of KoH but koh also use adcoc kinda like how GEAR 5 luffy still use haki.
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[BleakAsh]

So we agree that ACoC only and KOH are two different things and can be accepted as different PUs?

KOH is what I think was somewhat suggested towards when Zoro said that he will become stronger once he masters Enma or gets used to it. Can Zoro enter KOH state with Shusui instead of Enma (I think so since he can release haki like that) but will we ever get that answer? Nope. Enma is going to stay until the end. Zoro turning it into a black blade is already hinted. Sandai and Enma are the only swords that have tested Zoro in some way, Luck vs Curse and power/haki for Enma.

KOH is broken.

Yes we agree to this assessment.

That catapults KOH to being zoro's Final base form

But that also Catapults Oden in a sense

It just hypes Oden even more

the stakes for Mihawk are just somethin else.

Zoro is resembling more like Oden against Mihawk than Ryuma.

 

[Blazing Lion]

KOH = Santoryu + AdvCOC

Zoro's powerup was only AdvCOC.

KOH is just a name for his mode when he is constantly applying advCOC to his Santoryu mode.

KOH 3 Sword Style = Santoryu + ACoC + ACoA (both overflowing)
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Yes we agree to this assessment.

That catapults KOH to being zoro's Final base form

But that also Catapults Oden in a sense

It just hypes Oden even more

the stakes for Mihawk are just somethin else.

Zoro is resembling more like Oden against Mihawk than Ryuma.

Yeah Oden was a true monster, the reason why Kaido and Oda wank him so much. It just that people want to protect their faves and hence don't accept Oden for who he was (Yamato cringe stuff really was annoying). Oden was an adventure like Luffy, a swordsman like Zoro and pervert/women lover like Sanji (he literally did the same thing as Sanji for Toki).

 

[Artem]

Wrong equivalency.

CoC - CoC - Exo (internal)
Sword - DF - RS (external)

How i see it is zoro conquering enma with Coc primarily then flowing haki to his other swords is what makes it KOH

without enma there is no KOH

coz enma is KOH
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So its like Coc and Enma should be mutually inclusive for it to be called KOH

Acoc is not needed for Enma. Acoa only. That's what the blacksmith was talking about. Enma sucked only acoa out of Zoro and Oden
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So we agree that ACoC only and KOH are two different things and can be accepted as different PUs?

KOH is what I think was somewhat suggested towards when Zoro said that he will become stronger once he masters Enma or gets used to it. Can Zoro enter KOH state with Shusui instead of Enma (I think so since he can release haki like that) but will we ever get that answer? Nope. Enma is going to stay until the end. Zoro turning it into a black blade is already hinted. Sandai and Enma are the only swords that have tested Zoro in some way, Luck vs Curse and power/haki for Enma.

KOH is broken.

99.9% that Zoro can enter koh without enma. He has already activated acoc only on sandai, what prevents him from adding acoa and getting koh?

 

[Redboy776]

KoH and ACoC are different PU, basically one Haki PU & the other Swordsmanship PU.

For Zoro :
- His body : ACoC is... Haki upgrade.
- His tools (sword) : KoH is swordsmanship upgrade.

For Luffy :
- His body : ACoC is Haki upgrade.
- His tools (devil fruit) : Gear 5 is DF upgrade

For Sanji :
- His body : Exoskeleton
- His tools : Raid Su... Oh wait

This, Zoro got something aking to awakening to the true way of the swords with KoH, luffy's devil fruit awakening and sanji exo awakening. Its when you factor haki that sanji is left in the dust by both.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

I meant it the other way, will every time Zoro use ACoC it will be a KOH attack?

We have seen other users of ACoC have no named/basic attacks infused with ACoC (Kaido, Luffy, Yamato etc.) so can Zoro use ACoC only in KOH or can he also use it out of it. If Zoro can use ACoC without KOH then does this not separate the two?

It’s the difference between Zoro using a random sword swing or using a named One sword or two sword style technique

Zoro can use AdvCoC on random sword swings.

when he names an attack with AdvCoC, he classifies the attack as KoH
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How i see it is zoro conquering enma with Coc primarily then flowing haki to his other swords is what makes it KOH

without enma there is no KOH

@BleakAsh
This doesn’t make sense because you’re saying Zoro is using CoC to make Enma not bug out on him

then you’re saying Zoro can’t use CoC without Enma

then how did Zoro even use CoC in the first place?

 

[mly90]

KoH is separate from Adcoc because KoH combines overwhelming amount of CoA with Acoc, this is something way beyond what Oden could ever achieve. Not every Adcoc will be Koh that bird dance like you mentioned is one example and we will see Zoro utilize adcoc more without KoH in the future. Also rate Asura as Zoro strongest ability the one he performed on the rooftop was with pure CoA imagine KoH Asura

 

[RoronoaZorro]

KOH = Santoryu + AdvCOC

Zoro's powerup was only AdvCOC.

KOH is just a name for his mode when he is constantly applying advCOC to his Santoryu mode.

You forgot the green smoke/fire. It's related to KoH, which means KoH is a separate upgrade by itself, since the green thing isn't Haki.
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Acoc is not needed for Enma. Acoa only. That's what the blacksmith was talking about. Enma sucked only acoa out of Zoro and Oden

Yeah, Enma is not needed to use ACoC because Zoro can use it on his other swords too. Enma is just a trigger for CoC/ACoC, just like Nika DF & RS is the trigger for Awakening.
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Its when you factor haki that sanji is left in the dust by both.

Not mention RS got destroyed when Zoro kept Enma & Luffy still has Nika DF 🤣🤣🤣

It's like 2 steps behind, no RS & no advanced haki.

 

[Albino 👑]

King of hell = overflowing armament through all his blades
King of hell serpent = overflowing conquerors through all his blades

I image he can use conquerors without going into koh mode
Koh is essentially his g4 in a way. Both being forms where they basically max out how much haki they’re using. I don’t think zoro will have such a strict time limit on using conquerors in general

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Enma is just a trigger for CoC/ACoC, just like Nika DF & RS is the trigger for Awakening.

What? This makes no sense. Luffy wouldn’t have a DF awakening without having his df… Are you saying Zoro wouldn’t have CoC or AdvCoC without Enma? You know, CoC, that ability people are born with

 

[Artem]

The dude means that Zoro does not know how to independently release acoc without enma (which is a lot of nonsense). Haters say that Zoro has a coc, but it is enma who releases acoc, that if he takes the sword from Zoro, he will be like a mid, have the royal will, but not be able to use it. In general, hedkanon. Auden did not know about acoc at all for 30 years, although he had an enma from birth. Enma pulled from Zoro only acoa and not once acoc. Zoro Applied acoc only to sandai. But they say that just holding onto the enma gives him access to the acoc, even if the enma itself is not covered by the acoc. In short, utter nonsense and endowing enma with fictional abilities.