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He isn't wrong? Haki individually matters more than DF.
His argument is retarded because he´s trying to claim that Luffy can´t conquer the world because only Haki matters. This doesn´t even make sense because Luffy has Haki, but Haki is obviously not tied to conquering the world, since the people who run the world are not Haki obsessed retards like Crydo´s former captain who died like a retard.

He isn't wrong? Haki individually matters more than DF.

Imu may had OP surgery done on him but he himself being a DF user is head canon. Gorosei were not given DF names like oda usually do.
It doesn´t matter if Imu has a fruit or not. He is in power because someone used a fruit on him.... Pretty simple. Do you think Rocks knew he couldn´t do anything to Imcel because his haki was too weak?

Also, it doesn´t really matter if Imcel and the Gorosei rule the world with something other then Haki or Df´s, Kaido is still a moron for saying that Haki is the answer.
 
His argument is retarded because he´s trying to claim that Luffy can´t conquer the world because only Haki matters. This doesn´t even make sense because Luffy has Haki, but Haki is obviously not tied to conquering the world, since the people who run the world are not Haki obsessed retards like Crydo´s former captain who died like a retard.


It doesn´t matter if Imu has a fruit or not. He is in power because someone used a fruit on him.... Pretty simple. Do you think Rocks knew he couldn´t do anything to Imcel because his haki was too weak?

Also, it doesn´t really matter if Imcel and the Gorosei rule the world with something other then Haki or Df´s, Kaido is still a moron for saying that Haki is the answer.
No. From Kaido's perspective luffy was laughing and fighting like a comic character so Kaido went on to remind luffy that hax ability alone can not conqueror the world and haki is what matters the most and he gave roger's example as he was non DF user.

? Law's immortal surgery doesn't give character invincibility. Only ability to live past your normal age.
 

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lol luffy wasnt even serious until that point
And? It's by Kizaru's design, Luffy is only doing all that because Kizaru allowed it (he literally fed him moments before this so Luffy can do this) and is allowing it. Luffy being serious is precisely why it's bad, he's doing no damage to a dude who wants Luffy to stop him 😂, and Luffy doesn't even know.
 
i assume you also believe sanji can beat lucci...
Sanji pushes Lucci extreme diff bare minimum
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And? It's by Kizaru's design, Luffy is only doing all that because Kizaru allowed it (he literally fed him moments before this so Luffy can do this) and is allowing it. Luffy being serious is precisely why it's bad, he's doing no damage to a dude who wants Luffy to stop him 😂, and Luffy doesn't even know.
They'll never recover from Kizaru feeding Luffy. Lol
 

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And? It's by Kizaru's design, Luffy is only doing all that because Kizaru allowed it (he literally fed him moments before this so Luffy can do this) and is allowing it. Luffy being serious is precisely why it's bad, he's doing no damage to a dude who wants Luffy to stop him 😂, and Luffy doesn't even know.
ble blu bla blaaaah i almost forgot that luffy also did this to kizaru:
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Luffy went down to overexertion of G5 due to time constraints meanwhile Lizaru went to being damaged and BEATEN that Saturn had to come rescue him at the start..... The most damage Luffy sustained from rnd 1 was from VP barriers....
 

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They'll never recover from Kizaru feeding Luffy. Lol
& you'll never recover from Lizau being turned into a pancake & condom. or Akainu being unable to stop fledgling Luffy or half dead Kuma or 1hp sick dying beard. or Aokiji being blitzed and beat by Garp in 1s. or Greenbull being wii diffed by Shanks and openly admitting he was afraid of Kaido...
 
Willpower = haki. Kizaru was wishing someone could stop him the whole time. You can't conveniently square away him falling to tears and being hostile towards Akainu after returning from the mission.

It was similar when base Lucci straight fodderized Luffy and Zoro in Water 7. They didn't know what to make of Robin's actions, or what she truly desired. They wanted to trust her but there was slight hesitation and doubt. That "moment" where she poured her heart out to the crew was precisely when everyone could go demon mode and perform their best.

But Kizaru wasn't even a case of just simple hesitation. He was hoping to get stopped. He was actively trying to self-sabotage. Feeding Luffy. lmao Can you even imagine the combat nerf in proportion to that?

But I think it's Oda's habit of not allowing Luffy to sacrifice the impact of some of his spotlight moments that feeds this type of agenda brain rot. He's too obsessed with keeping him #1 in popularity polls and it comes across like he can't trust his readers to find Luffy compelling/lovable without that.


Being ambiguous about who fed Luffy in the manga but then revealing it in SBS feels like he wanted his cake and eat it too. Weak af.

If I'm being generous, it was by design that he hid the fact that Kizaru was conflicted until crashing out on Akainu. To keep the tension high and for us to be heartbroken at Kizaru's crashout later instead of in the moment.

That's kind of how I took it, but you have to remember that Oda crafts his work so that all levels of reading comprehension can understand what's going on. But, it's fine if the lowest common denominator reader can't understand stuff like hidden themes, meanings, and mechanics. Those aren't integral to the enjoyment of a story.

In the case of CP0 vs. Straw Hats, many of these "special" readers might think the power jump of the Straw Hats between Water 7 and Enies Lobby was an asspull. I'm not bothered by stuff like that at all because it doesn't inherently diminish anything super important. It's the opposite, actually. Showing and not telling us gives the readers an opportunity to parse a few things under the surface. It's part of the fun of enjoying a story that can double and triple dip the concepts it's presenting us.

But if we can't unanimously agree on something like an important character's heart break and the effects of that (agenda or no agenda), it's going too far in my opinion. It's fine to have a "checklist" of things you want to promise/maintain, but sticking to it at all costs and not being flexible enough to accomodate what you're putting out is a bit silly to me. And this case was especially egregious.
 
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