Questions & Mysteries About Blackbeard Crew Dynamics

[PuckTheGreat]

Pizzaro literally took names AdCoC attacks from Garp whilst Shilliew was getting damaged from a body slam by haki-less Garp.

The dude can assimilate with an entire island, and has insane potential and come end of series he’s going to be like Douglas Bullet in Stampede or even greater if his awakening allows him to not only assimilate with islands, but also continents as well.

I understand the appeal of wanting Sanji to have island level AP etc. but like I've already said several times already in the Sanji Fanclub, Sanji's fighting style is different from Garp who could potentially be written to be capable of such ting. Unlike Garp he's not the one punch man type but rather a more deft type of character that utilizes speed and combination attacks to accumulate damage. This is not to say Sanji's AP isn't impressive or won't be very impressive towards the the end of the series but the one punch style just doesn't suit him hence why I think Franky fits better assuming he's able to incorporate pluton into his arsenal in some way. That considered imo, Pizarro is not going to reach the heights of Douglas bullet.

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

Pizarro, being a north blue king should be the single most important consideration to be Sanji’s fight Eddie being the third strongest in the crew.
The fact that we still have so many unanswered questions when it comes to Germa, who better than a Corrupt King from the North Blue to provide the required explanation as to what really happened 300 years ago, when even his Kingdom was subjugated by Germa? Who is Sora? why does Sanji’s mom bear the same name?

 

[MonsterKaido]

I agree with the bolded bit but it's very situational though.
Also yes enduring Garp's named attack is impressive but doesn't that have a lot to do with his ability though. I mean he's freaking island and one that was pivotal to raising the stakes of the escape from Hachinousu so both narrative-wise and ability wise it makes sense that he didn't croak that easily.

Moroever if you're going solely of feats like you've already pointed out Pizzaro tanking a named attack was better than Shiryu getting ruffle stomped by a no named attack but irregardless of that we know who's the stronger of the two.

If we isolate the hachinosu incident which imo was very situational, you only have to look at the way Oda's written Pizarro portrayal wise to know where he ranks in the BB pirates.

He threatened to take Teach's position pre-ts and was instantly put in his place by Lafitte and fast-forward post-ts and all of that smoke is gone lol (he's now effectively Teach's bitch)
When Lafitte was plotting to steal Kuzan's DF post-ts which made the latter mad, he was instantly negged by Aokiji and the only other two that weren't were Shiryu and Lafitte (who instigated btw) with the exception of Teach.

I think Pizarro has huge potential. Imagine fusing with red line or much bigger island than beehive.

Lafite's highlight seems to be more so about covert operations like infiltration and putting people under hypnosis. He is the sole member on whom oda didn't focus much on power or strength.

 

[kekaro]

Blud said janitor that gets internal bleeding thrown to the ground above kuzan

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

I think Pizarro has huge potential. Imagine fusing with red line or much bigger island than beehive.

Lafite's highlight seems to be more so about covert operations like infiltration and putting people under hypnosis. He is the sole member on whom oda didn't focus much on power or strength.

Exactly and defeating red-line Pizarro would directly create Sanji’s dreams.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Pizarro, being a north blue king should be the single most important consideration to be Sanji’s fight Eddie being the third strongest in the crew.
The fact that we still have so many unanswered questions when it comes to Germa, who better than a Corrupt King from the North Blue to provide the required explanation as to what really happened 300 years ago, when even his Kingdom was subjugated by Germa? Who is Sora? why does Sanji’s mom bear the same name?

None of that germa shit is important here when Pudding is already implemented into the arc. And who’s going to be the one around pudding? Laffite, the navigator who needs to make pudding read the poneglyphs so he can make a path to raftel.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Pizarro felt like the biggest threat after Kuzan during garp fight. Endured garp's named attack to his head.

Vasco ran, wolf got negged by one punch and even shiryu seemed bloody from no name attack.

Pizarro was the main problem outside of Kuzan for marines.

No clown, Shiryu was easily bigger threat than Pizzaro

Garp was optimistic in running away, until Shiryu stabbed him.
Shiryu's single stab changed the atmosphere of the fight: Garp realized he can't run away anymore and changed the plan to sacrifice himself, and even fodders realized Garp was weakened after the stab.

 

[kekaro]

I like how everyone tries to figure out the damaji match up cause its not obvious, gj by oda

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

None of that germa shit is important here when Pudding is already implemented into the arc. And who’s going to be the one around pudding? Laffite, the navigator who needs to make pudding read the poneglyphs so he can make a path to raftel.

Lafitte is far too weak to be Sanji’s fight. Dude already had his DF pre-skip and was treated as fodder.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Burgess vs Jimbei - Battle of helmsman imo.

Pizarro felt most impressive BBP after BB , Kuzan and shiryu.

Pizarro makes most sense.

Its possible, but for some reason, I dont find Pizzaro vs Sanji very interesting. I wouldnt focus too much on who looks impressive or strong right now. If the role requires a character to be strong, Oda will just make them strong. Also, Oda might not even go for strictly role based matchups for all the members - thats too predictable and Oda tends to favor unpredictability.

To me, Burgess is the most iconic OG member of the BB crew. Probably has the highest panel time too. He also got the first ship.

 

[Topi Jerami]

I dont find Pizzaro vs Sanji very interesting.

Sanji vs Pica's downgrade

 

[Dark Knight Sanji]

I like how everyone tries to figure out the damaji match up cause its not obvious, gj by oda

It’s what happens when your character has an abundance of characterisation and isn’t just an edgy muscle-head!

 

[kekaro]

Its possible, but for some reason, I dont find Pizzaro vs Sanji very interesting. I wouldnt focus too much on who looks impressive or strong right now. If the role requires a character to be strong, Oda will just make them strong. Also, Oda might not even go for strictly role based matchups for all the members - thats too predictable and Oda tends to favor unpredictability.

To me, Burgess is the most iconic OG member of the BB crew. Probably has the highest panel time too. He also got the first ship.

None of the matchup are intressting because their skillset is shit. The only one that is hype is augur
My money is still on a davy back fight, their fruit are made for that type of stuff imo

 

[Cruxroux]

My only problem with Pizzaro / Laffite/ Burgess
Is that they barely look strong enough against Queen?

Post Blackbeard fight, Luffy should be the nearest to Pirate King, while Zoro obviously above Admiral, in the range of Yonkou. While Sanji should be around the admiral level.

I just can't see, Pizzaro, Laffite and Burgess strong enough to be on an admiral tier.

Sanji vs Nerfed Kuzan makes the most sense.


Its Straw Hats are fighting their opposites.

Blackbeard - Darkness, Nullifies everything
Luffy - Nika, Freedom to manipulate things around him.

Shiryu - Swordsman, Uses stealth and low honour
Zoro - Swordsman, put honour above anything.

Kuzan - Element user , Ice
Sanji - Element user, fire

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

My only problem with Pizzaro / Laffite/ Burgess
Is that they barely look strong enough against Queen?

Post Blackbeard fight, Luffy should be the nearest to Pirate King, while Zoro obviously above Admiral, in the range of Yonkou. While Sanji should be around the admiral level.

I just can't see, Pizzaro, Laffite and Burgess strong enough to be on an admiral tier.

Sanji vs Nerfed Kuzan makes the most sense.


Its Straw Hats are fighting their opposites.

Blackbeard - Darkness, Nullifies everything
Luffy - Nika, Freedom to manipulate things around him.

Shiryu - Swordsman, Uses stealth and low honour
Zoro - Swordsman, put honour above anything.

Kuzan - Element user , Ice
Sanji - Element user, fire

Thats not how it works. Many people dont see Shiryu becoming that strong either - but its inevitable. This is Oda's precious crew and the final opponents - he isnt revealing their full strength this early.

My money is still on a davy back fight, their fruit are made for that type of stuff imo

Davy Back fight? You mean members will change?

None of the matchup are intressting because their skillset is shit.

They will deliver, have some faith.

 

[Cruxroux]

That's not how it works. Many people don't see Shiryu becoming that strong either - but it's inevitable. This is Oda's precious crew and the final opponents - he isn't revealing their full strength this early.

No matter how early.
How close do you think they will be to admiral level?

Ahiryu pre-time skip had the hype of Magallen equal or maybe even superior. Who clowned the entire BBP back then.

New DF now and AdCoC (if) , he will easily on the realm of Admiral / Top tier.

I can't say the same for the rest of BBP. Kuzan is the only wild card.

 

[kekaro]

Davy Back fight? You mean members will change?

I think the rules will be different. It was a old theory that davy back fight will come back again and with davy jones and xebec playing it too its now almost 100% and BB crew seems the best fit.

Some people say cross guild but that doesnt make sense to me. CG has 3 named characters and i assume most people want a "real" zoro vs mihawk fight so its actually only 2 who would even do a davy back fight so whats the point there?

They will deliver, have some faith.

They sure will get stronger i have no doubt, the problem is everyone beside Kuzan is dogass (despite the desperate attempts to gas up janitors perfomance about getting to the ICU ), but even when (not if) they get stronger their boring ability are not changing.
Like you cant get me hyped about the 4th big dude or invisible guy, no matter how strong they are

 

[MonsterKaido]

No clown, Shiryu was easily bigger threat than Pizzaro

Garp was optimistic in running away, until Shiryu stabbed him.
Shiryu's single stab changed the atmosphere of the fight: Garp realized he can't run away anymore and changed the plan to sacrifice himself, and even fodders realized Garp was weakened after the stab.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I think Pizarro has huge potential. Imagine fusing with red line or much bigger island than beehive.

I see where you're coming from but the more you explore this route of Pizarro's potential via size the less he feels like a Sanji opponent. Rather as opposed to a main boss of sorts he feels more like a field boss than and end-game opponent in rpg terms.

Lafitte's highlight seems to be more so about covert operations like infiltration and putting people under hypnosis. He is the sole member on whom oda didn't focus much on power or strength.

Completely disagree with this and I've already made this argument a million times.

①Like @park_min young already stated pre-ts when all the BB Pirates fell victim to Ace's Hiken, he was the only one that evaded it.
②Like I already pointed out in my prior post, when Pizarro threatened to steal Teach's sit as Captain, Lafitte was the one that put him in his place. This very check is very strong indication of Lafitte's strength. Can you see Nami checking a violent level 6 prisoner in the likes of Pizarro that just joined the crew?
③ He possesses one of the very rare flight type zoans in the series which Oda intially stated there were only 5 of. Some examples of characters with similar fruits are King, Marco and Pell. Why would Oda give a scrub a rare flight DF?
④ Also like I already pointed out in my vid, in Lafitte's intial setting for his vivre card, he was directly recruited by Teach from what appeared to be Whitebeard's ship as a "partner". Can a character with this type of setting really be a scrub, to give a few in story examples, Shanks tried to recreuit Marco and Linlin tried to recruit King, and none of them were even recruited as partners but rather as subordinates

 

[MonsterKaido]

I see where you're coming from but the more you explore this route of Pizarro's potential via size the less he feels like a Sanji opponent. Rather as opposed to a main boss of sorts he feels more like a field boss than and end-game opponent in rpg terms.


Completely disagree with this and I've already made this argument a million times.

①Like @park_min young already stated pre-ts when all the BB Pirates fell victim to Ace's Hiken, he was the only one that evaded it.
②Like I already pointed out in my prior post, when Pizarro threatened to steal Teach's sit as Captain, Lafitte was the one that put him in his place. This very check is very strong indication of Lafitte's strength. Can you see Nami checking a violent level 6 prisoner in the likes of Pizarro that just joined the crew?
③ He possesses one of the very rare flight type zoans in the series which Oda intially stated there were only 5 of. Some examples of characters with similar fruits are King, Marco and Pell. Why would Oda give a scrub a rare flight DF?
④ Also like I already pointed out in my vid, in Lafitte's intial setting for his vivre card, he was directly recruited by Teach from what appeared to be Whitebeard's ship as a "partner". Can a character with this type of setting really be a scrub, to give a few in story examples, Shanks tried to recreuit Marco and Linlin tried to recruit King, and none of them were even recruited as partners but rather as subordinates

Bruh lafite's DF seems plain dove DF? It's a basic zoan DF. Oda in post skip haven't placed in combat scenarios but in different scenarios like covert operations. Anyways let's agree to disagree.