Character Discussion According to Vivre card, King is the head of All stars

[Boiroy]

Yes Killer is strong

Stronger than dad's D sucker Lanji

 

[Aknolagon]

Neither did I.
I only left because I couldn't bear reading this garbage ass raid.

But your bum ass unironically thought ZKK will happen


Umm, I don't do translations, schizo. I only post translations from discord. I couldn't care less about likes.

So why you don't give credits to the translator ? That's calling stealing other works. So you are more than just being a coward + likes licker, damn ...

 

[Fleet Leader Fenaker]

@kurwa where is RHM for Jack and Queen ? mf you are a schizo urself , 7 pages and you didn't post shit about that talking outta ur ass

 

[Jackteo]

Yes Killer is strong

 

[Blother Fertitta]

The funny part of King's VC when came out was when the genius who claimed that zoro didn't clash with kaido literally said:please Anyone who is not a zorotard like aknolagon could translate King's VC correctly

LMAOOOOO

 

[randomdude121]

I seriously don't get why this is such an issue, Queen hyped King (his rival) to Sanji, it does not matter by which attribute he chose to hype him, he still did. If Zoro hypes Sanji by calling him Germa then he is still hyping Sanji, in the context of a 1v1 fight. Doesn't matter if the attribute is genetic or acquired or trained, it is still an attribute of that individual.

I dont thing we will agree here. I think one is acknowledging a particular advantage and one in Katakuri's case is hyping up the power of an individual.

One crew is a family, the other is a combination of individuals who are always looking to gain a higher rank and have little respect for anyone besides Kaido. Why do King and Katakuri have to be seen in the same light? They are operating in different cultures entirely. I may be wrong but I can't remember any semblance of internal competition in BMPs like we saw in the Beast Pirates. Just to give an example King is allowed to issue orders while using Kaido's name without prior approval from Kaido, just imagine that. He is the one giving instructions to kill off Momo and Scabbards while Kaido is at rooftop and Queen is playing his stupid plague game.

You didnt answer my question if Katakuri lacked seniority would they still acknowledge him as the strongest? Your argument seems to be the culture in the beast pirates prevents King from being recognized as the strongest when even people outside of the Beast pirates -marco, and greenbull- do not recognize King as the strongest after fighting both. The simplest answer is that maybe he just isnt the strongest or the difference between queen and king is so miniscule that no one is capable of detecting it.

Why is King called King, instead of Alber? Why do we have Queen and Jack after King? Why is the Beast Pirates crew so heavily card themed? If the author has to go any simpler than this to explain ranking in an organization then I would say he should use 1, 2, 3 or A, B, C because that seems to the mental capacity of the audience.

The thing is though it's never been shown that King has authority over Queen so there's no basis for saying King is greater than Queen. Jack has specifically been shown to answer to King and Queen but not Queen answering to King. Also you bring up how the author made it simple enough. With Katakuri they just stated he was the strongest or maybe not potray him in a rivalry dynamic at all which again didnt happen with jack or katakuri.

What does age have to do with King and Queen what do we gain by knowing their ages? Im not saying age dosen't matter in general but in the specific context of King and Queen there's no reason to care.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

It is his concern, just like when a father tasks his sons he expects them to work it out themseleves, King is still the “eldest son” between the three and holds most responsibility, naturally when in a position of respect you try your hardest to keep it, and an elder brother does that by lecturing his lil bros.

King can scold whomever he wants but that never translates to authority, especially since Queen casually mocks him back. Jack being the youngest addressed both after his shortcomings not the leader because there isn’t actually any.
Kaido certainly trusts King the most as King is more capable and disciplined, but he still lumped him in with the all stars. If there was an official title it would have been mentioned in the manga, or maybe a different structure where King is the RHM/ vice captain and there’s an additional all star.

The family's affairs are a father's concern because he's often the leader of the family. He also exercises a certain degree of authority when he scolds the family members for their mistakes. Once again, King has a rival-like relationship with Queen. They don't exactly function like a family. So there is more animosity than a brother/father-like relationship there but Queen's affairs still concern King, which proves he's responsible for watching over the lower ranks. It makes perfect sense given how Kaido wouldn't bother with stuff like this.

You're overcomplicating this and bending all kinds of logic just to avoid admitting King is the leader of All-Starts while every example you're using to make a point is making it more and more obvious that's the role he holds in the crew.

 

[SakazOuki]

You're overcomplicating this and bending all kinds of logic just to avoid admitting King is the leader of All-Starts while every example you're using to make a point is making it more and more obvious that's the role he holds in the crew.

I’m going with what we know and have been shown, I don’t really care about King being the leader as they both were run over by Aramaki, but the thing is something this important would’ve been clearly mentioned and portrayed which isn’t the case. Nothing implies King can order around the other two from a place of authority, at least in the official sense. Even Jack was called the right hand man back in Zou, meaning all three are lumped in together.

I don’t understand what ya’ll are trying to achieve with this lol, everyone knows King is stronger but this head of all stars business is new.

 

[Ripper Roo]

Actually it's not that important whether King is leader or not. He is the strongest among calamities. That's what matters

 

[Gol D. Roger]

I’m going with what we know and have been shown, I don’t really care about King being the leader as they both were run over by Aramaki, but the thing is something this important would’ve been clearly mentioned and portrayed which isn’t the case. Nothing implies King can order around the other two from a place of authority, at least in the official sense. Even Jack was called the right hand man back in Zou, meaning all three are lumped in together.

I don't think you are following what has been shown in the manga. And you're certainly not giving off the impression that this is something you don't care about when you're inventing non-existing family-like bonds b/w King and Queen to make King scolding Queen over work as just another family affair. Jack was never called a right-hand. That was a translation error. And we saw King order Jack about their new deals and scold him about Kuri's cut being low. So they were not exactly lumped together.

I don’t understand what you'll are trying to achieve with this lol, everyone knows King is stronger but this head of all stars business is new.

I too don't understand why you're so hell-bent on not admitting King is their leader when it's so blatantly obvious—you seemingly don't even care. The head of All-Stars thing always existed, but people often brushed it off saying Queen doesn't care. And then it became prevalent when the VCs came out and confirmed it—I am not sure why the OP started it now though. You probably didn't pay attention back then.

 

[SakazOuki]

I don't think you are following what has been shown in the manga. And you're certainly not giving off the impression that this is something you don't care about when you're inventing non-existing family-like bonds b/w King and Queen to make King scolding Queen over work as just another family affair. Jack was never called a right-hand. That was a translation error. And we saw King order Jack about their new deals and scold him about Kuri's cut being low. So they were not exactly lumped together.

Some authority that is when Queen mocks King for failing to deal with Big Mom, how does that work out really. King being a bad leader is worse portrayal anyway. Jack calls them big bros, vivre card supports that structure, Queen & King having this toxic relationship, and most importantly no obvious clarification on such an important structural component of the main enemy crew.

I don’t think I was around when the vivre cards came out, I’ll check some different sources, and if it’s really the case then King is an ass of a leader lol, would’ve preferred it if he was autonomous but still holds the most responsibility and respect simply for being King not due to some official ranking, same case with Zoro in the SHs for example.

 

[HA001]

Some authority that is when Queen mocks King for failing to deal with Big Mom, how does that work out really. King being a bad leader is worse portrayal anyway. Jack calls them big bros, vivre card supports that structure, Queen & King having this toxic relationship, and most importantly no obvious clarification on such an important structural component of the main enemy crew.

I don’t think I was around when the vivre cards came out, I’ll check some different sources, and if it’s really the case then King is an ass of a leader lol, would’ve preferred it if he was autonomous but still holds the most responsibility and respect simply for being King not due to some official ranking, same case with Zoro in the SHs for example.

This is nonsense
King organised the tobbi roppo to get yamato
Then took control when the raid started to tell them what to do
Then took control of the live floor until zoro got up.

 

[[No Name]]

King damaged Sanji despite King clashing with a more fragile part of the leg than Sanji

Sanji had no trouble bumping his leg multiple times against Queen’s weak haki

Base kick vs Diable jambe...

 

[SakazOuki]

This is nonsense
King organised the tobbi roppo to get yamato
Then took control when the raid started to tell them what to do
Then took control of the live floor until zoro got up.

He did that in Kaido’s name tho. He has authority over everyone besides the other 2 all stars so these aren’t the best examples.
It is far better for King to be a natural leader who earned respect through his might than some official title that he can’t execute properly. Even the Tobi Roppo had the balls to ignore the all stars.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

Some authority that is when Queen mocks King for failing to deal with Big Mom, how does that work out really. King being a bad leader is worse portrayal anyway. Jack calls them big bros, vivre card supports that structure, Queen & King having this toxic relationship, and most importantly no obvious clarification on such an important structural component of the main enemy crew.

I don’t think I was around when the vivre cards came out, I’ll check some different sources, and if it’s really the case then King is an ass of a leader lol, would’ve preferred it if he was autonomous but still holds the most responsibility and respect simply for being King not due to some official ranking, same case with Zoro in the SHs for example.

Queen didn't mock King. He was mad at him for not killing Big Mom because that almost resulted in him losing his life. Jack calls them big brothers because they're seniors, not because they play family. Beast Pirates are a bunch of rowdy gang-playing pirates. It's not that logical to expect conventional leadership from them. Even Tobi Ropp was opposing King, yet they still followed his orders when shit got real.

Zoro doesn't hold any authority within the SH crew. King is different. He does hold the most authority after Kaido on top of being the second strongest. And there is a reason why Queen and Jack aren't called second and third sons to establish this family-like relationship that you talk about. That's just a bad choice of words from the official translator. Most other translators translated it as the first/leader/head/boss of the All-Stars with its literal meaning being the tip of a brush/first in a list of names, etc.

 

[SakazOuki]

Queen didn't mock King. He was mad at him for not killing Big Mom because that almost resulted in him losing his life. Jack calls them big brothers because they're seniors, not because they play family. Beast Pirates are a bunch of rowdy gang-playing pirates. It's not that logical to expect conventional leadership from them. Even Tobi Ropp was opposing King, yet they still followed his orders when shit got real.

Zoro doesn't hold any authority within the SH crew. King is different. He does hold the most authority after Kaido on top of being the second strongest. And there is a reason why Queen and Jack aren't called second and third sons to establish this family-like relationship that you talk about. That's just a bad choice of words from the official translator. Most other translators translated it as the first/leader/head/boss of the All-Stars with its literal meaning being the tip of a brush.

You probably know more about this so I’ll take your word. The All Stars chemistry that I talked about was one of the few things I enjoyed in Wano, somehow this arc can still get worse as time goes by lol

 

[HA001]

He did that in Kaido’s name tho. He has authority over everyone besides the other 2 all stars so these aren’t the best examples.
It is far better for King to be a natural leader who earned respect through his might than some official title that he can’t execute properly. Even the Tobi Roppo had the balls to ignore the all stars.

Because every spot is free to be taken by strength
There won't the respect there when they want to take his place

 

[SakazOuki]

@Gol D. Roger this panel could've saved us from the VC mental gymnastics
It's literally stated explicitly that King is his RHM lmao

 

[Blazing Lion]

@Gol D. Roger this panel could've saved us from the VC mental gymnastics
It's literally stated explicitly that's King is his RHM lmao

Don't know which side of the fence you are sitting, but those who are pro King being VC will say RHM = VC while the other side will say VC =/= RHM or RHM is just a general term etc. shit.

 

[Gol D. Roger]

@Gol D. Roger this panel could've saved us from the VC mental gymnastics
It's literally stated explicitly that King is his RHM lmao

There was a lot of dancing around this panel too because some people say all 3 All-Stars are Kaido's right-hand men. That is why I didn't bring it up.