Speculations Act 3 ends after Kaido is defeated

#1
It seems like the community is fixated on the idea that there are going to be 5 Acts. Furthermore some have read that Act 3 can end in a tragedy and so assume the Luffy and co are once again going to be defeated in this battle.

But there's a few things you need to know:

- Kabuki plays don't need to be 5 Acts, the One Piece kabuki play is actually in 3 Acts for example and for info is structured like this:

Act 1: 60 minutes
Act 2: 65 minutes
Act 3: 85 minutes.

As you can see Act 3 is actually the longest Act out of the 3. There isn't 5 Acts.

- Jo-Ha-Kyu is the actual play structure that is adopted in many forms of art, and it is applied within individual acts and within plays.

Jo begins slowly, engaging in exploration and building expectation. Ha speeds things up, the unfolding and then scattering of an idea. Kyu dissolves rapidly into the original pace, a culmination of the ha and then a reincarnation as jo. Jo-ha-kyu usually runs through multiple cycles, so that the cumulative effect is of an undulating wave, like the ocean repeatedly crashing on a shoreline—rippling, surging, and cresting, over and over again.

- The concept of Jo-Ha-Kyu is about story progression and the tempo involved. It doesn't mean there must be a tragedy in a 'Act 3', and clearly plays can be divided into how many Acts the creators want.

- Earlier in the arc, Oda titled one of the Chapters 'Ha' which seems to be a reference to Jo-Ha-Kyu not a 5 Act play structure.

- In my opinion, it's much more likely Wano is divided into 3 Acts, and we're well and truly into the final Wano Act as Luffy and co have officially started the main battle with Kaido on the rooftop.

- Of course we can have twists and possible deaths in this Act, but it doesn't need to be accompanied by some sort of Act 3 end then an intermission, and then a regroup and come back in Act 4 or 5.
 
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#2
It seems like the community is fixated on the idea that there are going to be 5 Acts. Furthermore some have read that Act 3 can end in a tragedy and so assume the Luffy and co are once again going to be defeated in this battle.

But there's a few things you need to know:

- Kabuki plays don't need to be 5 Acts, the One Piece kabuki play is actually in 3 Acts for example and for info is structured like this:

Act 1: 60 minutes
Act 2: 65 minutes
Act 3: 85 minutes.

As you can see Act 3 is actually the longest Act out of the 3. There isn't 5 Acts.

- Jo-Ha-Kyu is the actual play structure that is adopted in many forms of art, and it is applied within individual acts and within plays.

Jo begins slowly, engaging in exploration and building expectation. Ha speeds things up, the unfolding and then scattering of an idea. Kyu dissolves rapidly into the original pace, a culmination of the ha and then a reincarnation as jo. Jo-ha-kyu usually runs through multiple cycles, so that the cumulative effect is of an undulating wave, like the ocean repeatedly crashing on a shoreline—rippling, surging, and cresting, over and over again.

- The concept of Jo-Ha-Kyu is about story progression and the tempo involved. It doesn't mean there must be a tragedy in a 'Act 3', and clearly plays can be divided into how many Acts the creators want.

- Earlier in the arc, Oda titled one of the Chapters 'Ha' which seems to be a reference to Jo-Ha-Kyu not a 5 Act play structure.

- In my opinion, it's much more likely Wano is divided into 3 Acts, and we're well and truly into the final Wano Act as Luffy and co have officially started the main battle with Kaido on the rooftop.

- Of course we can have twists and possible deaths in this Act, but it doesn't need to be accompanied by some sort of Act 3 end then an intermission, and then a regroup and come back in Act 4 or 5.
:okay:

An emperor will lose to 5 SNs especially with Linlin on his side
We haven't seen base kaido even go all out
Navy isn't here... Hawkins predictions isn't yet fulfilled
Yamato hasn't confronted her father yet

But eh Kaido will lose on the rooftop

People really think Luffy and Kidd will beat Kaido coz they got Law , Killer and Zoro as backup...
Linlin is also there.

Whether 3 acts or 5... Alliance will lose! Kaido isn't falling yet

This is another Luffy will beat Linlin in WCI, people even had credible arguments back then.
 
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Finalbeta

Hero of Albion
#3
There's no concrete and thorough definition for what an Arc 3 is so all we can do is to speculate the whens, but all I can say to this matter is that I expect Act 4 to feature the finale of this arc, and where does the finale or final part begin? Usually when the final clash kicks off.
 
#4
An emperor will lose to 5 SNs especially with Linlin on his side
where is she saying that?
We haven't seen base kaido even go all out
and where was it said that kaido will go down before going all out?
Navy isn't here... Hawkins predictions isn't yet fulfilled
navy doesnt need to get to wano. and what prediction of hawkins are you talking about?
Yamato hasn't confronted his father yet
But eh Kaido will lose on the rooftop
and why cant yamato confront kaido on the rooftop?

Whether 3 acts or 5... Alliance will lose! Kaido isn't falling yet
- Of course we can have twists and possible deaths in this Act, but it doesn't need to be accompanied by some sort of Act 3 end then an intermission, and then a regroup and come back in Act 4 or 5.
:kayneshrug:
 
#5
:okay:

An emperor will lose to 5 SNs especially with Linlin on his side
We haven't seen base kaido even go all out
Navy isn't here... Hawkins predictions isn't yet fulfilled
Yamato hasn't confronted his father yet

But eh Kaido will lose on the rooftop

People really think Luffy and Kidd will beat Kaido coz they got Law , Killer and Zoro as backup...
Linlin is also there.

Whether 3 acts or 5... Alliance will lose! Kaido isn't falling yet

This is another Luffy will beat Linlin in WCI, people even had credible arguments.
Like I said in the original post:

- Of course we can have twists and possible deaths in this Act, but it doesn't need to be accompanied by some sort of Act 3 end then an intermission, and then a regroup and come back in Act 4 or 5.
 
#10
I think act 3 might just be ending very soon, we might get one or two chapters to set the matchups with Sanji and most MW's still not having an opponent yet.

Plus, i bet the tag team of yonkos vs the 5 supernovas up top will be the final battle for Kaido or Luffy in this arc....The Yonkos will likely be separated.
 
#12
Guys, Luffy doesn’t start his final round against the antagonist until AFTER every other SH beats their opponent. Look at the formula for literally every arc in which the SHs get big fights. Half of the SHs don’t even have their fights set up yet and none of them have beaten their opponents yet, so Luffy and co are doomed to lose this round
 
#13
I agree.

I don't see Oda cutting off Wano in the middle of the war to go outside of it.
He could only do that only if the war ended up in failure,but that can't happen,since it would mean the death of thousands of Wano citizens. The samurai from the start are also on a now or never mindset,they won't get a chance like this again.
 
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#14
Guys, Luffy doesn’t start his final round against the antagonist until AFTER every other SH beats their opponent. Look at the formula for literally every arc in which the SHs get big fights. Half of the SHs don’t even have their fights set up yet and none of them have beaten their opponents yet, so Luffy and co are doomed to lose this round
Except *most* of the SHs have their fights set up:

Luffy
Zoro
Jinbei
Nami
Usopp
Franky

We just have to wait to find out what Robin, Brook and Sanji do.

Chopper main role involves the antidote.

We should also stop thinking of Wano arc in linear terms like typical arcs when clearly Wano is different.

Wano arc literally has the unique breaking of the 4th wall curtain act stuff which has never happened in any other arc.
 
#15
Except *most* of the SHs have their fights set up:

Luffy
Zoro
Jinbei
Nami
Usopp
Franky

We just have to wait to find out what Robin, Brook and Sanji do.

Chopper main role involves the antidote.

We should also stop thinking of Wano arc in linear terms like typical arcs when clearly Wano is different.

Wano arc literally has the unique breaking of the 4th wall curtain act stuff which has never happened in any other arc.
Well Brook, Robin, Sanji, and Chopper (who will get a fight) haven’t. Besides, I said that Luffy’s final round doesn’t start until after they BEAT their opponents, not after they start fighting their opponents. Luffy didn’t fight Arlong until after his 3 lieutenants were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Crocodile for his final round until after Baroque Works was defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Enel until after the priests were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Lucci until after the rest of CP9 were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Moriah for his final found until after the zombies were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Hody for his final round until after his lieutenants were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Doffy for his final round until after the other DD Pirates were defeated.

This alone tells us that Luffy will almost certainly lose this round. Drake, Apoo, Hawkins, Yamato, and Marco will come to help. Marco can use up all of his power to heal the defeated Supernova, and then the nine shadows (8 SN + Yamato) defeat Kaido
 
#16
Guys, Luffy doesn’t start his final round against the antagonist until AFTER every other SH beats their opponent. Look at the formula for literally every arc in which the SHs get big fights. Half of the SHs don’t even have their fights set up yet and none of them have beaten their opponents yet, so Luffy and co are doomed to lose this round
Thats true but defeat is not necessary, could also be a single prolonged fight during all Act 4
 
#17
Oda said about Sabo and Boa 2 years ago. It will be 5 acts or Sabo and Boa will join the battle in Wano soon.
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Oda spoke about Vivi, Boa and Sabo in 2020. That is, he planned them. Do you think he wanted to finish the Wano Arc in 2020 and move on to action with Sabo? Not the fact that the arc will end in the next 30 chapters at least. We remember that about 35 chapters dealt with Doffy.
 
#18
Well Brook, Robin, Sanji, and Chopper (who will get a fight) haven’t. Besides, I said that Luffy’s final round doesn’t start until after they BEAT their opponents, not after they start fighting their opponents. Luffy didn’t fight Arlong until after his 3 lieutenants were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Crocodile for his final round until after Baroque Works was defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Enel until after the priests were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Lucci until after the rest of CP9 were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Moriah for his final found until after the zombies were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Hody for his final round until after his lieutenants were defeated. Luffy didn’t fight Doffy for his final round until after the other DD Pirates were defeated.

This alone tells us that Luffy will almost certainly lose this round. Drake, Apoo, Hawkins, Yamato, and Marco will come to help. Marco can use up all of his power to heal the defeated Supernova, and then the nine shadows (8 SN + Yamato) defeat Kaido
Losing a round doesn't mean the Act has to end and there be an intermission/time skip before Luffy defeats Kaido.
 
#19
I think you are forgetting Oda's jump festa comments from 2019.

We were supposed to know what happened with Hancock, Vivi and Sabo in 2020 so it was pretty clear we were supposed to have an intermission,and we know that could have only happened with Act 3 ending.

Now due to Covid issues,the manga got delayed and Oda may have changed plans but he still talked about Shanks making his move this year,something which can only happen again with an intermission between acts unless you think Wano finishes this year.

I think we are having 5 acts still.
 
#20
We were supposed to know what happened with Hancock, Vivi and Sabo in 2020 so it was pretty clear we were supposed to have an intermission,and we know that could have only happened with Act 3 ending
That is the case,neither Hancock,Vivi or Sabo showed up in 2020 and now Oda even mix up Shanks. With means we need a act end to switch again to the other sides, it make sense that the arc end soon after the Alliance taking their L and need to regroup.
 
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