Powers & Abilities Advanced CoC sucks...

#41
is Zoro and Sanji not fighting devil fruit users and winning this entire series? Devil fruits have never been established as ‘needed’ to be strong. Since Mihawk first split a ship with his sword, we knew that strength was strength not a devil fruit. Devil fruits have never been the be all end all with power and ability, but CoC definitely has the potential to be, if Kaido is saying things like “only the truly strong can use it.” And it turns out ‘truly strong’ = people born with it.
How do you know Zoro won't ever get Adcoc ?
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is Zoro and Sanji not fighting devil fruit users and winning this entire series? Devil fruits have never been established as ‘needed’ to be strong. Since Mihawk first split a ship with his sword, we knew that strength was strength not a devil fruit. Devil fruits have never been the be all end all with power and ability, but CoC definitely has the potential to be, if Kaido is saying things like “only the truly strong can use it.” And it turns out ‘truly strong’ = people born with it.
There's also high chance Zoro used COC to scar kaido
 
#42
CoC was just a device for Luffy's immediate powerup, Oda created a problem with Kaido and solved this problem by creating CoC and giving it to Luffy. It's rotten writing. Haki himself is rotten.
 
#43
Really Oda fucked himself when he introduced smoker and his broken ass powers.

Then came Ace, Enel, Crocodile and Aokiji and those were all among the strongest people luffy ever bought in paradise.

Really DFs should have been paramecias and zoans only
 
#44
How do you know Zoro won't ever get Adcoc ?
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There's also high chance Zoro used COC to scar kaido
Well Zoro having it or not is besides the point. The point is Oda made a whole arc where it requires a specific power to truly be able to defeat Kaido. A power that you can only be born with and a power only Luffy is proficient enough with to fight right now, conveniently. But we’ve never seen that before where a character needed a specific power to defeat someone.

I like the concept of CoC as will made into strength but I don’t like how it’s binary where you either were born with enough innate will so you have it or you aren’t and you don’t.
 
#47
I think Advanced CoC is lame but I don’t really know what else Oda could’ve done with it ngl

People want there to be extra effects but that would be even WORSE than what we have rn. Weather Manipulation and bending space/time with CoC? Are you serious?


:seriously:
 
#48
I think Advanced CoC is lame but I don’t really know what else Oda could’ve done with it ngl

People want there to be extra effects but that would be even WORSE than what we have rn. Weather Manipulation and bending space/time with CoC? Are you serious?


:seriously:
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the idea of weather manipulation and bending space/time with CoC?
 
#49
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the idea of weather manipulation and bending space/time with CoC?
Because that’s terrible and makes very little sense

Why should people be able to manipulate the weather and BEND SPACE AND TIME with CoC? That’s way too much for a haki type that’s limited to specific people and way too much for Haki in general
 
#50
In other words, CoC Users aren't Strong because they have CoC
They have CoC because they are Strong, this is more Accurate, or at least have Potential to reach that Highest Level
You can't get it by training, you have to be born with it, Rayleigh said that during the timskip. So no my friend, you can succeed in one piece world only by talent, hard work has no place in one piece world!
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Yeah man but its all speculation until it's confirmed by the canon material. I don't think he needs it to be that strong tbh but I don't mind him having it as well.
You can't be on Roger's level without CoC haki, we know that for sure.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#51
Can you elaborate on why you don't like the idea of weather manipulation and bending space/time with CoC?
It actually makes zero sense tbh.

- Observation is based on preception and precognition - basically enhancing your senses.
- Armament allows you to manifest your haki in the form of a coating and then form barriers - basically increasing your offense and defense.
- Conquerors, if we wanna stay consistent, should probably give more abilities to the user which increase their physical/spiritual abilities. There might also be another advanced version to Conquerors but I'm sure it wouldn't stray away from this established order.

Changing environments, bending space and time, that's supposed to be the work of devil fruits.
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You can't be on Roger's level without CoC haki, we know that for sure.
Garp literally exists lol. He was not confirmed to be a CoC user the last time I checked. Admirals can fight on par with the Yonkos and they don't have Conquerors.

No single ability should be that powerful and with no other counter to it other than itself, in any series for that matter.
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#54
rayleigh
sengoku
Mingo
Oden
none of these guys have confirmed coc user as their parents.
Still doesn't change the fact that they were born with it and didn't "unlock" it out of having strong wills.

They maybe realized they had it later (exactly like Luffy, Ace - people who had CoC users as their parents - did) but they were born with it.
 
#55
Still doesn't change the fact that they were born with it and didn't "unlock" it out of having strong wills.

They maybe realized they had it later (exactly like Luffy, Ace - people who had CoC users as their parents - did) but they were born with it.
how can coc be transferred to oden/mingo if his father didnt have it?:kaidowhat:
now you are making assumptions which are based on further assumptions
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#56
how can coc be transferred to oden/mingo if his father didnt have it?:kaidowhat:
now you are making assumptions which are based on further assumptions
Bruh what?

Nothing states that CoC is completely inherited. It can be inherited in some cases.

People can also be born with it even when their parents aren't CoC users.
Were Big Mom's parents CoC users? They were civilians lol. Were Whitebeard's parents bigshots? He was a random af orphan.
 
#57
Bruh what?

Nothing states that CoC is completely inherited. It can be inherited in some cases.

People can also be born with it even when their parents aren't CoC users.
Were Big Mom's parents CoC users? They were civilians lol. Were Whitebeard's parents bigshots? He was a random af orphan.
and nothing states that coc cant be unlocked with unwavering willpower.
anyways arguing about this doesnt lead anywhere because at the end of the day oda can give coc to whoever he wants and come up with random explanation or even no explanation at all
 
#58
The worst part is that adv Coc doesn't even seem to have drawbacks

Atleast the sharingans wasted a ton of Chakra and the user could turn permanently blind

Adv coc doesn't have that, I wish there was some drawback like shortening life span making the use of it more impactful and consequential
 

ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
#60
and nothing states that coc cant be unlocked with unwavering willpower.
except that everytime someone has realized their haki and used it unknowingly, they were stated to have been "chosen by the heavens" [trebol to mingo] or to be "born with it" [garp to luffy] or referred to as "a natural born king" [boa sisters to luffy] and not to have "unlocked it due to possessing strong wills".


 
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