Character Discussion Akainu Did Nothing Wrong (Kinda)

[Yomi]

If we're basing our morals on 1st world countries in the 21st century, then sure, some of these things aren't justified;
But the characters in one piece didn't grow up in such a world. 99.99% of pirates aren't romantics, they're pillagers, and murderers.

The era they live in is named and defined by it.
Let's have a look at things from their perspective.

Akainu probably fought these pirates off even as a young child.
Which is why he wears justice on his little hat.

The world government is the only force that combats piracy. The only entity that can protect an island from ruin, caused by pirates.
Emperors aren't very reliable, besides Shanks and Whitebeard. These empires do not establish peace for their citizens.

Akainu met a deserter, gave him an order, and was met with cowardace and excuses. If every Marine was allowed to run away for being too "scared",
then the whole army would crumble at any legitimate threat. The punishment needs to be equally as harsh as anything they would have faced on the battlefield.

OHARA:

The Ohara incident is what everyone points to as the smoking gun for Akainu's guilt.
However, I think he's probably the most correct person on the side of the government present in that situation.

Nothing said in this panel is wrong. A marine of Akainu's rank is obligated to perform a buster call.
They went to that island to enact genocide, and the reason for that genocide was to prevent anyone from disclosing knowledge that could upset the status quo.

If they were not thorough they would have commited genocide without even acomplishing the goal they had set in place.
The genocide was unavoidable. The least you could do is to make sure it wasn't pointless.

Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.

 

[Yoho]

👏👏👏 exactly people look at akainu through the lens of our society when in fact from the perspective of the society he's in, he not only made the right call he made the call that would prevent even more deaths

 

[Thunderbolt]

Only ace sissies cry about Akainu. Ohara citizens are demons, still praying Robin gets justice

nosy weak bitch

 

[SakazOuki]

Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.

Kuzan sympathizers are weird as fuck, they act like he wasn’t willing to murder his friend and had no problem with bombarding scholars (who are infact civilians lmao). What makes it funnier is that Kuzan gave Spandam of all fkin people a buster call mushi 💀💀💀

Then you have Sengoku sympathizers who forget he ordered the buster call in the first place, and was cool with killing countless mothers and their children in fear of Roger’s semen
They’re all in the same boat, the difference is Sakazuki understands the shit they need to do to uphold the law, and is thorough with his judgement even if he is not happy about it, all in the name of justice.

In terms of atrocities committed, Sengoku leads by a big margin. Kuzan is not far off for giving Spandam of all people a buster call that he might have utilized to kill thousands of civilians. Akainu probably did some wicked shit too that will be revealed later tho
>Sengoku after claiming countless souls in his lifetime and growing old

 

[Erkan12]

Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.

Thats not half genocide.

Aokiji was after the Ohara researchers who knew researching Void century and ancient weapons is forbidden but did it anyway.

Red Dog went after Ohara civilian ship because of a possibility of 1 or 2 researcher sneaking in it.

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OHARA:
The Ohara incident is what everyone points to as the smoking gun for Akainu's guilt.
However, I think he's probably the most correct person on the side of the government present in that situation.

Nothing said in this panel is wrong. A marine of Akainu's rank is obligated to perform a buster call.
They went to that island to enact genocide, and the reason for that genocide was to prevent anyone from disclosing knowledge that could upset the status quo.

Aokiji and even Cipher Pol had no orders on attacking Ohara civilian ship, they had no orders on killing civilians. Its either Gorosei personally gave order to Red Dog, knowing only he won't refuse or Red Dog decide that on his own which is worse because in order to be look good for Celestial dragons, he did this to protect the secrets of his Celestial dragon masters.

If we're basing our morals on 1st world countries in the 21st century, then sure, some of these things aren't justified;
But the characters in one piece didn't grow up in such a world. 99.99% of pirates aren't romantics, they're pillagers, and murderers.

The era they live in is named and defined by it.
Let's have a look at things from their perspective.

Akainu probably fought these pirates off even as a young child.
Which is why he wears justice on his little hat.

The world government is the only force that combats piracy. The only entity that can protect an island from ruin, caused by pirates.
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Not true. Red Dog specifically said he was against the removal of Warlord piracy system.

Only Fujitora and Levely Kings wanted to remove. He even says he couldn't do anything about it.

So Red Dog had no problem with Warlord Pirates as long as they also help his Celestial dragon masters.

Red Dog also said he can ignore every other pirate escaping from MF but not Ace and Luffy, due to Ace being Roger's son, potentially can learn ancient history by reaching Laugh Tale, and Dragon's son could join forces with Dragon.

Why he is obsessed with ''Dragon's son''? Dragon is not a pirate. Red dog is against government enemies not pirates.

Only ace sissies cry about Akainu. Ohara citizens are demons, still praying Robin gets justice

nosy weak bitch

I don't care Ace lmao, Teach could've delivered Ace's corpse if he wanted. Red dog is just being dog of Celestial dragons while some think he is a hero vs pirates, he aint that lol.

 

[Date]

this idea that people claiming "i was just following orders" so they arent doing wrong things is just BS



u talk like if the WG is a good instituition trying to defend people but we know they are even worse than the Pirates and just to things to defend their elites, and not just that, but their policies are the whole reason why the world is totally fucked and full of pirates.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Thats not half genocide.

Aokiji was after the Ohara researchers who knew researching Void century and ancient weapons is forbidden but did it anyway.

Red Dog went after Ohara civilian ship because of a possibility of 1 or 2 researcher sneaking in it.

Aokiji and even Cipher Pol had no orders on attacking Ohara civilian ship, they had no orders on killing civilians. Its either Gorosei personally gave order to Red Dog, knowing only he won't refuse or Red Dog decide that on his own which is worse because in order to be look good for Celestial dragons, he did this to protect the secrets of his Celestial dragon masters.

Not true. Red Dog specifically said he was against the removal of Warlord piracy system.

Only Fujitora and Levely Kings wanted to remove. He even says he couldn't do anything about it.

So Red Dog had no problem with Warlord Pirates as long as they also help his Celestial dragon masters.

Red Dog also said he can ignore every other pirate escaping from MF but not Ace and Luffy, due to Ace being Roger's son, potentially can learn ancient history by reaching Laugh Tale, and Dragon's son could join forces with Dragon.

Why he is obsessed with ''Dragon's son''? Dragon is not a pirate. Red dog is against government enemies not pirates.


I don't care Ace lmao, Teach could've delivered Ace's corpse if he wanted.

Your comment has unmasked the essence of this topic, Akainu's actions are seemingly taken with the aim of defending the interests of his superiors rather than his own.

 

[Yoho]

this idea that people claiming "i was just following orders" so they arent doing wrong things is just BS



u talk like if the WG is a good instituition trying to defend people but we know they are even worse than the Pirates and just to things to defend their elites, and not just that, but their policies are the whole reason why the world is totally fucked and full of pirates.

I wouldn't say they're worse than pirates most pirates pillage, steal, rape, enslave, kidnap, extort, murder theres a reason 97% of luffys enemies where pirates in fact up egghead is only the 5th arc where the antagonist is the wg

1. Water7/enies lobby
2. Sabaody
3.Impel down
4. Marine ford
5. Egghead

So of 32 Arcs our protagonist only fought the wg a handful of times

Yes the wg has slaves but that's only the celestial dragons

Dragons even said himself

He isn't looking to dismantle the WG but the celestial dragons who stand atop

Pirates are way worse for the world than a force who 90% of strive to fight for peace and justice and the safety of everyone

 

[Djordje]

Its just Yonko stans being extremely mad because Admiral was MVP of Paramount ( Marineford ) war.

Akainu destroyed their ship Moby Dick , he killed Ace making sure pirates failed overall in their goal, and he made sure that Whitebeard, the greatest yonko of all time and world strongest pirate isnt leaving Marineford alive thanks to all damage he suffered from him .

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Its just Yonko stans being extremely mad because Admiral was MVP of Paramount ( Marineford ) war.

Akainu destroyed their ship Moby Dick , he killed Ace making sure pirates failed overall in their goal, and he made sure that Whitebeard, the greatest yonko of all time and world strongest pirate isnt leaving Marineford alive thanks to all damage he suffered from him .

BB was the one who ensured that the navy headquarters wasn't sunk, Akainu was hiding, waiting for the man's fury to pass. LOL

Whitebeard, the greatest yonko of all time and world strongest pirate isnt leaving Marineford alive

Crocodile disagrees, WB was nothing compared to his PRIME version, so technically everything you said is wrong

 

[Djordje]

BB was the one who ensured that the navy headquarters wasn't sunk, Akainu was hiding, waiting for the man's fury to pass. LOL

Crocodile disagrees, WB was nothing compared to his PRIME version, so technically everything you said is wrong

Akainu aint selfish he let others have their glory moments. He accomplished marines 2 main goals which were killing Ace and winning war for marines.

Akainu accomplished that , got himself promoted to fleet admiral while Whitebeard died and Luffy ended up crying .

Huge win for Akainu no matter how you look at it.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Akainu aint selfish he let others have their glory moments. He accomplished marines 2 main goals which were killing Ace and winning war for marines.

Akainu accomplished that , got himself promoted to fleet admiral while Whitebeard died and Luffy ended up crying .

Huge win for Akainu no matter how you look at it.

Akainu aint selfish he let others have their glory moments. He accomplished marines 2 main goals which were killing Ace and winning war for marines.

No, initially Akainu entered conflicts with Whitebeard aiming to stop him and complaining about the destruction the island was suffering. Later, he took a beating from him, and Sengoku pointed out that now that the rescue had been completed, Whitebeard was actively trying to sink Marineford. There was no reason for Akainu, after the beating he received, to let a man with such thoughts run free... As Sengoku mentioned, even with the injuries he had, Whitebeard still had ALL that power.

Akainu accomplished that , got himself promoted to fleet admiral while Whitebeard died and Luffy ended up crying

Akainu was promoted to Fleet Admiral not for his actions during Marineford, as Aokiji was also nominated for the same position and did not do the same things as Akainu during Marineford. Akainu became Fleet Admiral after nearly dying at the hands of the man who is now a subordinate of Blackbeard.

 

[Djordje]

No, initially Akainu entered conflicts with Whitebeard aiming to stop him and complaining about the destruction the island was suffering. Later, he took a beating from him, and Sengoku pointed out that now that the rescue had been completed, Whitebeard was actively trying to sink Marineford. There was no reason for Akainu, after the beating he received, to let a man with such thoughts run free... As Sengoku mentioned, even with the injuries he had, Whitebeard still had ALL that power.

Akainu was promoted to Fleet Admiral not for his actions during Marineford, as Aokiji was also nominated for the same position and did not do the same things as Akainu during Marineford. Akainu became Fleet Admiral after nearly dying at the hands of the man who is now a subordinate of Blackbeard.

Only an admiral can beat another admiral as manga has showed us with Akainu and Kuzan. Meanwhile Yonkos are falling and dying all over the world.

It started with Whitebeard and then followed by Big Mom and Kaido 3 yonkos already dead .

Their replacaments are :

- Luffy guy that had to be saved and literally cried because of Akainu
- Blackbeard guy that run away like coward from Akainu
- Buggy guy that already got captured by marines

Lol yonko stans are desperate these days.

 

[Sasaki Kojirō]

Only a admiral can beat admiral as manga has showed us with Akainu and Kuzan. Meanwhile Yonkos are falling and dying all over the world.

It started with Whitebeard and then followed by Big Mom and Kaido 3 yonkos already dead .

Their replacaments are :

- Luffy guy that had to be saved and literally cried because of Akainu
- Blackbeard guy that run away like coward from Akainu
- Buggy guy that already got captured by marines

Lol yonko stans are desperate these days.

Only a admiral can beat admiral as manga has showed us with Akainu and Kuzan. Meanwhile Yonkos are falling and dying all over the world.

This is false. Have you seen Green Bull openly admitting to fearing Kaido in Wano? Have you seen the treatment that Shanks gave to Green Bull? Even Whitebeard in his worst state landed two hits on Akainu. Sengoku wouldn't be worried about losing the war even with superior numbers if the man they were facing was being defeated by a mere admiral... You just said that Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world, and now you're saying he can't defeat an admiral? I would even agree with you regarding MF Whitebeard not being able to do it, but the point is, he did it. Prime Whitebeard would do it much better than that...


I'm not sure what you're reading to come to this kind of conclusion, but Oda has consistently portrayed the superiority of the Yonko through statements and depictions...

• Oda consistently portrayed Kaido throughout the time skip as being above the admirals in SBS, magazines, interviews, and Green Bull basically admitted this, and Green Bull is an admiral.
• Shanks gave that treatment to Green Bull at the end of Wano, in addition to the feats in the Red movie where Shanks easily outclassed Kizaru (a film supervised by Oda).
• Whitebeard, in his worst state, unable to use AdvCoC, with poor CoO as pointed out by Marco, his right-hand man, suffering from old age and illness, overpowered Akainu...
• Blackbeard made Aokiji, equal to Akainu, his subordinate.
• Big Mom is making open challenges without worrying if the Marines hear these challenges and know where she is heading, essentially inviting the Marines to stop her if they can.

These examples illustrate the consistent portrayal of the Yonko's superiority in Oda's work.

It started with Whitebeard and then followed by Big Mom and Kaido 3 yonkos already dead .

And what does this have to do with it? Do you also expect Akainu to remain as Fleet Admiral until the end of this story, or even Kizaru? Stop dreaming, they will step down and make way for the new generation, and that's how Oda wants to portray the constant changes in the world...

It makes sense for the Yonko to be dead because their level of danger surpasses that of the admirals. Whitebeard, even suffering from illness, could wake up on a Monday with the desire to destroy the world if he wanted to, because he possesses the Gura Gura no Mi. Kaido's goal was world domination, plunging the world into war, and even the destruction of the world itself, and Big Mom joined him in this cause with the same goals in mind.

Blackbeard inherited Whitebeard's ability to destroy the world and still has plans that could even be to become king of the world, Shanks is the calmest but when he is furious he is described as unstoppable by the Goroseis and is also Oda's self-insertion into the manga he writes, you see, a Yonkou is Oda's self-insertion, do you know why? Because Oda said in an SBS that if the freest person was PK, then it would be Shanks, admirals are not free people they are slaves to the system, old cogs who take orders, Oda would never give himself the luxury of considering himself an old slave to the system and say that an admiral is your self-insert.

These are very dangerous individuals who need to be eliminated for the story to move forward... The admirals are obedient dogs who receive orders from their bosses.

- Luffy guy that had to be saved and literally cried because of Akainu

No, he was lamenting his own weakness.

Blackbeard guy that run away like coward from Akainu

Blackbeard made the equal of Akainu kneel and became his subordinate... Translating the equal of Akainu as a pirate, he's just a subordinate of Blackbeard...

Buggy guy that already got captured by marines

Using Buggy as an argument shows how desperate you are here. Everyone knows that Buggy is nothing more than comic relief, and if we were to speculate on who the true power in the Cross Guild is, it would be Mihawk.

 

[Djordje]

This is false. Have you seen Green Bull openly admitting to fearing Kaido in Wano? Have you seen the treatment that Shanks gave to Green Bull? Even Whitebeard in his worst state landed two hits on Akainu. Sengoku wouldn't be worried about losing the war even with superior numbers if the man they were facing was being defeated by a mere admiral... You just said that Whitebeard was the strongest man in the world, and now you're saying he can't defeat an admiral? I would even agree with you regarding MF Whitebeard not being able to do it, but the point is, he did it. Prime Whitebeard would do it much better than that...


I'm not sure what you're reading to come to this kind of conclusion, but Oda has consistently portrayed the superiority of the Yonko through statements and depictions...

• Oda consistently portrayed Kaido throughout the time skip as being above the admirals in SBS, magazines, interviews, and Green Bull basically admitted this, and Green Bull is an admiral.
• Shanks gave that treatment to Green Bull at the end of Wano, in addition to the feats in the Red movie where Shanks easily outclassed Kizaru (a film supervised by Oda).
• Whitebeard, in his worst state, unable to use AdvCoC, with poor CoO as pointed out by Marco, his right-hand man, suffering from old age and illness, overpowered Akainu...
• Blackbeard made Aokiji, equal to Akainu, his subordinate.
• Big Mom is making open challenges without worrying if the Marines hear these challenges and know where she is heading, essentially inviting the Marines to stop her if they can.

These examples illustrate the consistent portrayal of the Yonko's superiority in Oda's work.


And what does this have to do with it? Do you also expect Akainu to remain as Fleet Admiral until the end of this story, or even Kizaru? Stop dreaming, they will step down and make way for the new generation, and that's how Oda wants to portray the constant changes in the world...

It makes sense for the Yonko to be dead because their level of danger surpasses that of the admirals. Whitebeard, even suffering from illness, could wake up on a Monday with the desire to destroy the world if he wanted to, because he possesses the Gura Gura no Mi. Kaido's goal was world domination, plunging the world into war, and even the destruction of the world itself, and now Big Mom has joined that cause with him. These are very dangerous individuals who need to be eliminated for the story to move forward... The admirals are obedient dogs who receive orders from their bosses.


No, he was lamenting his own weakness.

Blackbeard made the equal of Akainu kneel and became his subordinate... Translating the equal of Akainu as a pirate, he's just a subordinate of Blackbeard...

Using Buggy as an argument shows how desperate you are here. Everyone knows that Buggy is nothing more than comic relief, and if we were to speculate on who the true power in the Cross Guild is, it would be Mihawk.

I dont really care about portrayal and pointless statements like for example Kaido said in his fight against Luffy " no one can defeat me " only to die 2 chapter later.

Fact still remain yonko never defeated admiral in this manga so far so without definitive evidence yonko being superior is just headcanon.

Yes everyone gets replaced yet Yonko gets replaced by getting defeated and killed while admiral just quits his job on his own free will. Yonkos getting sh1t treatment from Oda lol.

Luffy cried because of Ace death one responsible for that is Akainu.

Its true Buggy is comic relief that how low yonko title has fallen it become joke.

You got it all wrong about Aokiji and Blackbeard . 3 admirals are enough to keep balance against 4 yonkos as we see in manga . As I said only admiral can defeated an admiral . Oda himself knows this very well thats why he made Aokiji join Yonko crew so that in future Yonko can actually defeat an admiral ( with the help of other former admiral of course ).

 

[Loki D. Terror]

I dont really care about portrayal and pointless statements like for example Kaido said in his fight against Luffy " no one can defeat me " only to die 2 chapter later.

Fact still remain yonko never defeated admiral in this manga so far so without definitive evidence yonko being superior is just headcanon.

Yes everyone gets replaced yet Yonko gets replaced by getting defeated and killed while admiral just quits his job on his own free will. Yonkos getting sh1t treatment from Oda lol.

Luffy cried because of Ace death one responsible for that is Akainu.

Its true Buggy is comic relief that how low yonko title has fallen it become joke.

You got it all wrong about Aokiji and Blackbeard . 3 admirals are enough to keep balance against 4 yonkos as we see in manga . As I said only admiral can defeated an admiral . Oda himself knows this very well thats why he made Aokiji join Yonko crew so that in future Yonko can actually defeat an admiral ( with the help of other former admiral of course ).

So oda is lying with WB's WSM title or mihawk's WSS title?

 

[Yomi]

Thats not half genocide.

Red Dog went after Ohara civilian ship because of a possibility of 1 or 2 researcher sneaking in it.

I agree there could have been a better way of going about it. Like maybe interogation/screening process after the buster call. etc. etc.

Not true. Red Dog specifically said he was against the removal of Warlord piracy system.

Only Fujitora and Levely Kings wanted to remove. He even says he couldn't do anything about it.

So Red Dog had no problem with Warlord Pirates as long as they also help his Celestial dragon masters.

I don't think he likes the warlords themselves. If he saw the seraphim, I'm sure he would be all for the removal of them.
He thinks they're useful because they're tools of the WG, and can be used to fight pirates without any collateral.

Making pirates destroy eachother isn't that sympathetic. Even Kizaru makes a statement about not trusting pirates after Kuma's little act.

Red Dog also said he can ignore every other pirate escaping from MF but not Ace and Luffy, due to Ace being Roger's son, potentially can learn ancient history by reaching Laugh Tale, and Dragon's son could join forces with Dragon.

Why he is obsessed with ''Dragon's son''? Dragon is not a pirate. Red dog is against government enemies not pirates.

Well they're the ones who funding the marines so without them the marines wouldn't really exist without some great reform.

 

[Djordje]

So oda is lying with WB's WSM title or mihawk's WSS title?

Being world strongest at certain point does not mean you will remain so forever.

 

[TheAncientGorosei]

Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.

Which is why Aokiji is my least favorite admiral. He acts ashamed and guilty for doing a half assed job.

Akainu's rationalization for Ohara makes sense but it's still disgusting and he is wrong for taking part in it. He's good at following orders and he isn't a mustache twirler, he has his own morals and codes. But that's some medieval shit.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Being world strongest at certain point does not mean you will remain so forever.

But WB was a yonko correct? And not a recent one. BB is bound to be above most if not all the admirals given his endgame villain status. GB admitted inferiority against Kaido.