Character Discussion Akainu Did Nothing Wrong (Kinda)

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Sasaki Kojirō

#21
I dont really care about portrayal and pointless statements like for example Kaido said in his fight against Luffy " no one can defeat me " only to die 2 chapter later.

Fact still remain yonko never defeated admiral in this manga so far so without definitive evidence yonko being superior is just headcanon.

Yes everyone gets replaced yet Yonko gets replaced by getting defeated and killed while admiral just quits his job on his own free will. Yonkos getting sh1t treatment from Oda lol.

Luffy cried because of Ace death one responsible for that is Akainu.

Its true Buggy is comic relief that how low yonko title has fallen it become joke.

You got it all wrong about Aokiji and Blackbeard . 3 admirals are enough to keep balance against 4 yonkos as we see in manga . As I said only admiral can defeated an admiral . Oda himself knows this very well thats why he made Aokiji join Yonko crew so that in future Yonko can actually defeat an admiral ( with the help of other former admiral of course ).
I dont really care about portrayal and pointless statements like for example Kaido said in his fight against Luffy " no one can defeat me " only to die 2 chapter later.
This is a mistaken way to consider things. Kaido assumed in his past that Joyboy would be the one to defeat him, and Luffy is Joyboy, so Kaido is not wrong in saying that no one in the world can defeat him because he didn't know that Joyboy was Luffy; he made an exception.

I find it funny that you previously said that admirals can only be defeated by other admirals, but Kaido just said that none of them can defeat him, and this is a statement from a Yonko. Do you understand that you need to disregard what was said in the manga, a statement related to the status of power by one of the Yonko, for your logic to make sense? We have the Yonko himself disagreeing with your claim. LMAO

Fact still remain yonko never defeated admiral in this manga so far so without definitive evidence yonko being superior is just headcanon.
It was never headcanon; Kaido himself asserts that no admiral can defeat him. Whitebeard was indeed the WSM, these are manga facts found within its pages. Meanwhile, your assertion that only one admiral can defeat another is entirely unfounded speculation because there are facts that contradict that logic, such as Kaido's statements and Whitebeard's title. It seems you're the one in a dead end here, as if Shanks treating Green Bull, an admiral, like his subordinate in Wano, making him tremble, sweat, and even deactivate his Devil Fruit just by using his Conqueror's Haki, wasn't explicit enough. But we're talking about the same guy who said that if Kaido were in the country, he wouldn't have even come to Wano because Kaido's presence was what kept him away from Wano. LMAO.

And Aokiji, has he stopped serving under Yonko Blackbeard? The guy is a subordinate of an Emperor. Ahahaha.

Yes everyone gets replaced yet Yonko gets replaced by getting defeated and killed while admiral just quits his job on his own free will. Yonkos getting sh1t treatment from Oda lol.
They leave their jobs (of being slaves and ordered around by the Celestial Dragons) to become subordinates of Emperors. The Yonko are being defeated and possibly killed, so they don't have to become subordinates to anyone. LOL

Leaving a monster like Kaido, who is superior to all admirals, running loose is a concern for Oda, which is why he doesn't mind having Aokiji out there freely...
Luffy cried because of Ace death one responsible for that is Akainu.
Once again, Ace's death began solely because of Luffy's incapability and failure; his weakness was what led to it. He was literally banging on the rocks while screaming that he was weak and that's why he couldn't do anything.

It's somewhat irrelevant to debate this, because unlike Akainu, who managed to kill Ace, who literally sacrificed himself intentionally, Kaido killed Luffy, who was much stronger than Ace in Wano. Also, let's not forget that Oda himself has stated in an SBS that Kaido is stronger than Akainu.

Even if I were to agree with you on this point, it wouldn't matter to me because Akainu is not going to become stronger than Kaido due to this, you get it? Why do you think Oda used "Even" in the sentence from the image above in the SBS? I thought no one was stronger than the admirals. LOL
Its true Buggy is comic relief that how low yonko title has fallen it become joke.
Man, the Yonko are so powerful that they don't even need all four of them to balance the government + navy + Seraphim; now we only need three because Buggy is a joke. You see just how formidable the Emperors are?

You got it all wrong about Aokiji and Blackbeard . 3 admirals are enough to keep balance against 4 yonkos as we see in manga . As I said only admiral can defeated an admiral . Oda himself knows this very well thats why he made Aokiji join Yonko crew so that in future Yonko can actually defeat an admiral ( with the help of other former admiral of course ).
Man, it's exhausting to keep debunking your shallow and senseless arguments. It's become apparent that there's no solution for you, even though I've posted a thousand pieces of evidence from the manga itself. I feel like not even Oda's words can persuade you, and that's regrettable.
You got it all wrong about Aokiji and Blackbeard . 3 admirals are enough to keep balance against 4 yonkos as we see in manga .
Look at the nonsense you're saying; it's as if you forgot that Whitebeard died after the Marineford War. You see how your arguments are flawed and shallow?
 
#22
If we're basing our morals on 1st world countries in the 21st century, then sure, some of these things aren't justified;
But the characters in one piece didn't grow up in such a world. 99.99% of pirates aren't romantics, they're pillagers, and murderers.

The era they live in is named and defined by it.
Let's have a look at things from their perspective.

Akainu probably fought these pirates off even as a young child.
Which is why he wears justice on his little hat.



The world government is the only force that combats piracy. The only entity that can protect an island from ruin, caused by pirates.
Emperors aren't very reliable, besides Shanks and Whitebeard. These empires do not establish peace for their citizens.




Akainu met a deserter, gave him an order, and was met with cowardace and excuses. If every Marine was allowed to run away for being too "scared",
then the whole army would crumble at any legitimate threat. The punishment needs to be equally as harsh as anything they would have faced on the battlefield.

OHARA:

The Ohara incident is what everyone points to as the smoking gun for Akainu's guilt.
However, I think he's probably the most correct person on the side of the government present in that situation.



Nothing said in this panel is wrong. A marine of Akainu's rank is obligated to perform a buster call.
They went to that island to enact genocide, and the reason for that genocide was to prevent anyone from disclosing knowledge that could upset the status quo.

If they were not thorough they would have commited genocide without even acomplishing the goal they had set in place.
The genocide was unavoidable. The least you could do is to make sure it wasn't pointless.


Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.
1) Sob backstories for Assholes is just bullshit.

2) Regarding pirates, most of them are assholes and deserve to be put down, so I have no qualms with his goal to take them out.

3) Akainu is a government dog and asshole, and there is no justification for destroying everyone in Ohara. His little Chihuahua barking at the Gorosei back in the day was a joke; with what we know now, it is even more pathetic.
 
#23
If we're basing our morals on 1st world countries in the 21st century, then sure, some of these things aren't justified;
But the characters in one piece didn't grow up in such a world. 99.99% of pirates aren't romantics, they're pillagers, and murderers.

The era they live in is named and defined by it.
Let's have a look at things from their perspective.

Akainu probably fought these pirates off even as a young child.
Which is why he wears justice on his little hat.



The world government is the only force that combats piracy. The only entity that can protect an island from ruin, caused by pirates.
Emperors aren't very reliable, besides Shanks and Whitebeard. These empires do not establish peace for their citizens.




Akainu met a deserter, gave him an order, and was met with cowardace and excuses. If every Marine was allowed to run away for being too "scared",
then the whole army would crumble at any legitimate threat. The punishment needs to be equally as harsh as anything they would have faced on the battlefield.

OHARA:

The Ohara incident is what everyone points to as the smoking gun for Akainu's guilt.
However, I think he's probably the most correct person on the side of the government present in that situation.



Nothing said in this panel is wrong. A marine of Akainu's rank is obligated to perform a buster call.
They went to that island to enact genocide, and the reason for that genocide was to prevent anyone from disclosing knowledge that could upset the status quo.

If they were not thorough they would have commited genocide without even acomplishing the goal they had set in place.
The genocide was unavoidable. The least you could do is to make sure it wasn't pointless.


Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.

Ummm, what?

Even for 1st world country in present day, he's considered pretty normal/rational.

Treason and desertion is punishable by death (not necessarily enforced) in every single military in the world.

You join the US army and desert in the middle of battle and see what happens.
 
#26
People that try to justify Akainu actions with the logic of "he's just doing his job" are doing the same as those that the Nazi soldiers had no choice and they were also "just doing their job". Yes it sounds extreme, but you got to realize how crazy it is to condone Akainu killing innocent masses because they could of posed as threats to the crooked World Government. How hard is it to simply get a job as a soldier at some random country, or become a bounty hunter that proudly and loudly go after pirate for justice sake. He really he had multiple options to enforce justice.

Hot Take: The Marines and the World Government are much, much worse than pirates.
 

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I'm Quite Dandy
#27
People that try to justify Akainu actions with the logic of "he's just doing his job" are doing the same as those that the Nazi soldiers had no choice and they were also "just doing their job". Yes it sounds extreme, but you got to realize how crazy it is to condone Akainu killing innocent masses because they could of posed as threats to the crooked World Government. How hard is it to simply get a job as a soldier at some random country, or become a bounty hunter that proudly and loudly go after pirate for justice sake. He really he had multiple options to enforce justice.

Hot Take: The Marines and the World Government are much, much worse than pirates.
Not really you have a point with the Nazi thing but for the most part the WG and Marines are the good guys the majority of their forces fight for peace, truth and justice it's mostly just the celestial dragons who has slaves and enforce a rule that no one can acess the ancient history.

Meanwhile majority of pirates are pillaging, stealing, raping, killing, enslaving Hell both Kaido and Doffy took over entire countries.

The WG isn't inherently evil they're just keeping the status quo and don't know any better

The only ones that may be considered evil are imu and the gorosei the ones at the top even dragon said the goal isn't the dismantle of the wg itself but the destruction of celestial dragons and their way of life. Which imu and gorosei fall under
 
#28
Not really you have a point with the Nazi thing but for the most part the WG and Marines are the good guys the majority of their forces fight for peace, truth and justice it's mostly just the celestial dragons who has slaves and enforce a rule that no one can acess the ancient history.

Meanwhile majority of pirates are pillaging, stealing, raping, killing, enslaving Hell both Kaido and Doffy took over entire countries.

The WG isn't inherently evil they're just keeping the status quo and don't know any better

The only ones that may be considered evil are imu and the gorosei the ones at the top even dragon said the goal isn't the dismantle of the wg itself but the destruction of celestial dragons and their way of life. Which imu and gorosei fall under
How much good have the World Government done for the average citizen really? We don't really see the Marines doing shit other than good pirates like Luffy and Co. cleaning their shit. They pretty much tax every allied nation, and in exchange give less than the bare minimum of security that falls by the slightest of pirate forces, and previously set up pirate warlords that could do virtually anything they wanted to do, making it that much easier for them to hurt civilians. Also can we really separate the sins of the higher ups of the World Government from the rest of the organization when the higher ups are the ones calling the shots? Under the World Government banner, they've completely wiped out civilizations for their own survival and hunt after children, and the leaders have no qualms with it at all. The Celestial can basically make anyone their slaves with little to no consequences. Then there's the fact that we know that the World Government will try to conquer the entire world.

Like is it really a surprise that practically every island in the world hates the Marines and the World Government when they are a two-faced organization that can't be trusted?

Yes the quantity of bad pirates is quite bigger than bad actors in the World Government, but the World Government is a unified force that enacted much more widespread devastation throughout the world with little regard to human life.
 
#29
If we're basing our morals on 1st world countries in the 21st century, then sure, some of these things aren't justified;
But the characters in one piece didn't grow up in such a world. 99.99% of pirates aren't romantics, they're pillagers, and murderers.

The era they live in is named and defined by it.
Let's have a look at things from their perspective.

Akainu probably fought these pirates off even as a young child.
Which is why he wears justice on his little hat.



The world government is the only force that combats piracy. The only entity that can protect an island from ruin, caused by pirates.
Emperors aren't very reliable, besides Shanks and Whitebeard. These empires do not establish peace for their citizens.




Akainu met a deserter, gave him an order, and was met with cowardace and excuses. If every Marine was allowed to run away for being too "scared",
then the whole army would crumble at any legitimate threat. The punishment needs to be equally as harsh as anything they would have faced on the battlefield.

OHARA:

The Ohara incident is what everyone points to as the smoking gun for Akainu's guilt.
However, I think he's probably the most correct person on the side of the government present in that situation.



Nothing said in this panel is wrong. A marine of Akainu's rank is obligated to perform a buster call.
They went to that island to enact genocide, and the reason for that genocide was to prevent anyone from disclosing knowledge that could upset the status quo.

If they were not thorough they would have commited genocide without even acomplishing the goal they had set in place.
The genocide was unavoidable. The least you could do is to make sure it wasn't pointless.


Half genocide is still genocide. Ice-man.
The reason those pirates exist is the WG what Akainu is doing is absolutely wrong due the high taxes not all countries can provide wealth fare that's why the citizens become pirates
 
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#30
All the other Admirals live in the same world and they did not turn out as sadistic as him.
He murdered civilians and is only a slight bit better than the worst Pirates or a dog like Lucci.
All Marines are pieces of shit since they enable the CDs. That includes Garp, Coby and Smoker same as anyone else.
 
#31
This is a mistaken way to consider things. Kaido assumed in his past that Joyboy would be the one to defeat him, and Luffy is Joyboy, so Kaido is not wrong in saying that no one in the world can defeat him because he didn't know that Joyboy was Luffy; he made an exception.

I find it funny that you previously said that admirals can only be defeated by other admirals, but Kaido just said that none of them can defeat him, and this is a statement from a Yonko. Do you understand that you need to disregard what was said in the manga, a statement related to the status of power by one of the Yonko, for your logic to make sense? We have the Yonko himself disagreeing with your claim. LMAO



It was never headcanon; Kaido himself asserts that no admiral can defeat him. Whitebeard was indeed the WSM, these are manga facts found within its pages. Meanwhile, your assertion that only one admiral can defeat another is entirely unfounded speculation because there are facts that contradict that logic, such as Kaido's statements and Whitebeard's title. It seems you're the one in a dead end here, as if Shanks treating Green Bull, an admiral, like his subordinate in Wano, making him tremble, sweat, and even deactivate his Devil Fruit just by using his Conqueror's Haki, wasn't explicit enough. But we're talking about the same guy who said that if Kaido were in the country, he wouldn't have even come to Wano because Kaido's presence was what kept him away from Wano. LMAO.

And Aokiji, has he stopped serving under Yonko Blackbeard? The guy is a subordinate of an Emperor. Ahahaha.



They leave their jobs (of being slaves and ordered around by the Celestial Dragons) to become subordinates of Emperors. The Yonko are being defeated and possibly killed, so they don't have to become subordinates to anyone. LOL

Leaving a monster like Kaido, who is superior to all admirals, running loose is a concern for Oda, which is why he doesn't mind having Aokiji out there freely...

Once again, Ace's death began solely because of Luffy's incapability and failure; his weakness was what led to it. He was literally banging on the rocks while screaming that he was weak and that's why he couldn't do anything.

It's somewhat irrelevant to debate this, because unlike Akainu, who managed to kill Ace, who literally sacrificed himself intentionally, Kaido killed Luffy, who was much stronger than Ace in Wano. Also, let's not forget that Oda himself has stated in an SBS that Kaido is stronger than Akainu.

Even if I were to agree with you on this point, it wouldn't matter to me because Akainu is not going to become stronger than Kaido due to this, you get it? Why do you think Oda used "Even" in the sentence from the image above in the SBS? I thought no one was stronger than the admirals. LOL

Man, the Yonko are so powerful that they don't even need all four of them to balance the government + navy + Seraphim; now we only need three because Buggy is a joke. You see just how formidable the Emperors are?


Man, it's exhausting to keep debunking your shallow and senseless arguments. It's become apparent that there's no solution for you, even though I've posted a thousand pieces of evidence from the manga itself. I feel like not even Oda's words can persuade you, and that's regrettable.

Look at the nonsense you're saying; it's as if you forgot that Whitebeard died after the Marineford War. You see how your arguments are flawed and shallow?
As I said those are just statements which are proven wrong many times by feats . No feats of Yonko defeating admiral exists I dont care for Kaido personal 5 list which is biased statement considering we already have someone like Garp who fought against Whitebeard , fought equally against Roger couple times , and defeated Xebec which makes him capable of fighting 3 person from Kaido list. Just another example feats > statements.

Also Oda has been consistent with his work where 3 admirals were enought to keep balance against 4 yonkos. Even this late into story he kept that consistency , yes he made Buggy and comic relief a yonko yet at the same time he made former admiral join Yonko side.

If you want Admiral - Yonko portrayal here is one for you.

- Whitebeard gets his chest pierced and half of face destroyed by Admiral suffering fatal wound.
- Another Yonko Blackbeard run away from the same admiral.
- Another Yonko Luffy cried and had mental breakdown because of actions of same admiral .

Lol 3 yonkos already get humiliated by Akainu so far in manga .
 
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