General & Others Akainu: The strongest character in Marineford Arc>Mvp of MF

#81
Will read the thread in details later but I agree. Not taking shanks into account.

--Was able to match WB directly.

--Was able to endure one of the strongest attacks from WB and got up after 2 chapters

--Even when sneak attacked by WB , akainu still was able to rip a chunk of WB's face.

--Akainu was strongest in MF ignoring shanks as he came at the end. MF WB was too weak and sick.
 
#82
Analysis Thread:

In this thread I would like to talk about Akainu.

In my eyes he was the Mvp in Marineford and Oda made every effort to portray him as the most dangerous and strongest character.
In this thread we will talk about Akainu Portrayal (strongest character in Marineford), his actions and feats.

Portrayal:

Oda set up Marineford based on the dangerousness of its characters, the most dangerous were the admirals, followed by the Shichibukai. Garp and Sengoku were wildcards who only helped in times of need, but apart from that didn't get involved much in the war.

Let's go in order: As in a game, you first have to defeat and clear the stages one after the other so that you can level up until you reach the final boss, which you have to defeat to finish the story and end the game.
Marineford was designed so that you had to work your way forward step by step to get to Ace (final mission to save him).

Level 1:
First, Oda set up fodders:
100,000 elite navy soldiers (including giants, many vice admirals and other ranks), battleships and cannons.
These are the fodder enemies in a game, they are in a dungeon that you explore, they are easy to defeat but quite difficult in number if they all attack at once. The level is literally referred to the number of marines here. These 100,000 navy soldiers are tough to take and the number makes it very difficult to fight them...

This is the first level that Whitebeard, Luffy and their allies had to overcome.

Level 2:
Mind bosses, the 7 Shichibukai: These are really tough, you have to overcome these bosses to get to the final stage. The 7 Shichibukai are above all 100,000 navy soldiers, these 7 are very strong pirates who are way above a normal vice admiral level.


This was also clearly shown in the manga, as soon as the war started, the 7 Shichibukai were there and a strong threat to Whitebeard and co.
This line comes after the fodder navy soldiers fail to stop the Whitebeard pirates. And that's exactly what happened, Navy giant soldiers were easily defeated by Oz, the vice admirals seemed powerless, then the Shichibukai intervened and defeated Oz with ease, strong commanders and veteran pirates or people like Ivankov or Jinbe were needed to fight these Shichibukai, normal pirates had little chance.

In a game, the Shichibukai (with Mihawk as the strongest Shichibukai) would be the midbosses, you have to defeat them to get to the final stage.

Stage 3: Final bosses - The admirals

The final bosses, the strongest unit, the enemies that come at the end of a game, that you have to defeat to bring the story to an end. Oda's portrayal made it clear that the admirals were the strongest unit in the arc, the biggest threat to Luffy and Whitebeard in their quest to free Ace, the strongest threat that had to be overcome. The admirals were used as a counter to Whitebeard, even his strongest commanders (Marco/Jozu) could only evaporate time but hardly do anything against them, only the Yonkou (Whitebeard) was able to class on equal terms with the admirals.

They were at the center of the incident, the strongest unit to stop everything so that Ace could not be saved, right in front of his execution platform.



This is the level structure that Oda saw for MF arc:
Level 1: 100,000 soldiers (giants, vice admirals)
Level 2: Shichibukai
Level 3: Admirals

This was pretty much the portrait that Oda had for Marineford arc, a clear structure for the arc. Like in a game, the protagonists in the arc had to climb these levels step by step.

Main characters: Luffy and Whitebeard (his crew). The arc was structured like a game, Luffy was like a protagonist from a game who had to reach each level. This was also shown by Oda step by step. First he had to fight against level 1 opponents, then came the Shichibukai and then the admirals. Oda deliberately chose the line-up from the weakest to the strongest level.

Level 1: Luffy against fodder navy soldiers:
Here you can also see the structure, from weak soldiers to Smoker (who was one of the stronger navy soldiers). Oda clearly uses a structure system where Luffy has to work his way up from strong opponents to the strong ones.

Simple allies of Whitebeard or normal pirates were enough to support him in the first stage. With Smoker (final phase of level 1) Luffy needed the help of a Shichibukai (Boa) to overcome the level.

Allies level for level 1:
Allies of Whitebeard or normal pirates(mid tiers)

Level 2: Against Shichibukai:




The same thing again: Here you first meet Moria, probably the weakest Shichibukai, before you then meet Kuma and Doflamingo, the stronger Shichibukai, who were overcome with the help of Ivankov. The final stage in level two is the strongest Shichibukai, Mihawk. He gets particularly long scenes against Luffy in order to clearly show the final phase of level two how strong these characters actually are.




At level two Luffy needed the help of Commanders (Vista and Ivankov) or Shichibukai like Jinbe to stand up to the Shichibukai and progress. Without them Luffy would never have progressed because his level was simply too low.

Allies level for level 2:
Yonkou commander level or high tiers.

Level 3: The Admirals

Luffy has to overcome these as the final stage to save Ace, if he doesn't succeed, he loses the game and the story doesn't end well:

For the final stage against the admirals Luffy really only got the help of Whitebeard (Yonkou) or Marco. Anything else would have made no sense because no one in Whitebeard's crew was able to fight the admirals, they would end up just like Luffy.
It always had to be Marco or Whitebeard and Luffy's side so he could overcome these three and save Ace.

Allies level for level 3:
Yonkou level, Firstmate level(only for short time and with help with others).

As you can see, Oda structured the arc, step by step Luffy had to overcome obstacles to get to Ace. This is the Portrayal/Power level ranking for Marineford written by Oda.
The structure of the power level is clear here and it was shown in several scenes that this comparison with Marineford - an RPG game - is quite accurate.

The main characters were also well portrayed by Oda, Luffy and Whitebeard (Yonkou), who were the protagonists in the arc. As for Akainu's portrayal, he was the final boss of Marineford, as Portrayal like in a game he was Luffy and Whitebeard's final opponent to free Ace, if you don't defeat him, the mission fails and it's game over.

He was clearly portrayed at the beginning as the main counterpart to Whitebeard.
Akainu was the main opponent of Luffy and Whitebeard. The final boss in the Marineford arc for Luffy and Whitebeard.
Akainu was even portrayed as an enemy above Kuzan and Kizaru, the last stronghold that had to be overcome to save Ace:



This is all too portrayal.
Now we come to the next point of the analysis.

Actions:
Actions: As mentioned above, he was Sengoku's secret weapon to fight the pirates. He was the leading force in the plan to destroy the pirates with a meteorite attack:

He also showed his inventive cunning tricks, for example he manipulated Squardo into attacking Whitebeard:


He also was the one who gave Whitebeard his fatal wound:
The final part:
The end of Ace, game over, the end of the mission.
Akainu killed Ace and gave Luffy the worst physical and mental injury he had ever received.


The importance of Akainu for this arc, his portrayal of how dangerous but clever he is and the final phase, as the final boss, he killed Ace and ruined Luffy's game of saving Ace. Akainu's actions were extremely important to this arc, so important that they changed the future enormously. He was the main antagonist who did everything to prevent Luffy and Whitebeard from achieving their goal.

So much for his actions, all of these were of great importance and had a massive impact on what happened in the arc.
Now we come to the last part of my analysis.

Feats:

He was the only one in the arc who was able to stand up to Whitebeard's Gura power (which was hyped by all characters (Sengoku/Flamingo)) in direct combat.



Easily overpowered Ace:

It took Jinbe,Marco and Vista to stop him for shorttime:


Was hit twice by rage Whitebeard with his strongest attacks, was back on his feet shortly afterwards, as a comparison Oden was down after an offguard club hit from Kaido... Even melted half face of Whitebeard in a single move...


Easily defeated Ivankov (Dragon's strongest commander after Sabo):

Easily defeated Jinbe:

Fought against Marco and Crocodile and the entire Whitebeard pirates and even had the upper hand:

Akainu's feats clearly show that apart from Yonkou level characters, high tiers were not even able to fight him for long. His AP is at Gura level, which clearly shows how strong Akainu is. He was the only character in the arc who fought against a Yonkou and significantly injured him. stomping a Shichibukai, stomping a top commander and then fighting against a whole Yonkou crew + Crocodile and was still in top shape.
His feats were above all other characters in the arc.

This brings all three points together and shows clearly:

He was the MVP of this arc, he killed Ace, was the only one to defeat many high tiers and was able to clearly push back the strongest protagonist (Whitebeard) in a 1on1 fight. Akainu's actions, portrayal and feats are clear, the MVP of Marineford, the strongest character on the island. It was clear that Oda wanted us to see this too, Akainu was the strongest character on Marineford, the strongest boss that Whitebeard and Luffy had to overcome.. His actions in this arc changed the future.
He is the character who killed Luffy's brother, he is now the Fleet Admiral with a bounty of 5B. His fight in Punk Hazard was a main event in timeskip. Luffy's scar hurts just of mentioning Akainu.

He will also be the Navy's main antagonist for the future, if you think that's all Akainu can do then you are completely wrong, Oda has big plans for this man and he will continue to push forward as a main villain alongside Imu and Teach, he is one of the final bosses for Luffy.


Thanks for reading.

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ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#84
Who was excusing it though?

Jailer didn’t mention Oden, he just said that Akainu’s performance against Deadbeard was unimpressive for the supposed strongest character.
It really wasn't. If it takes your son to die for you to muster up all your rage to cheapshot a dude from behind only to get half your head erased, and the dude continue to trott on after taking your final attack, that is anything but unimpressive.

That little sneak scene absolutely does not stop Akainu from being the strongest, heck it's just another feat for Akainu to add to his resume.

Don't know why people try to gaslight an enraged WB cheapshot which didn't even KO or incapacitate Akainu into some sort of anti-feat.

Mihawk got stalemated by Vista who Marco was confident in sending alone, Same Vista who looked like a fly with tons more help next to Akainu, and you're talking about unimpressive for the strongest.

You can't call Akainu unimpressive for top 1 and then unironically believe Mihawk is stronger when he didn't look even half as impressive Akainu during that war. Mihawk looked borderline commander lvl.
 
#85
The MVP was Oldsickbeard @Tyki_Mikk

- He was very old, sick yet he was still fighting against 5 Top Tiers
- He entered the battlefield already with holed chest, the injury was inflicted by Navy resorted to lying to Squardo
- In exchange against Akainu, he dealt the finishing blow. Akainu got 2 shotted and hide underground, he only came back after Whitebeard was killed
- 3/4 dead Whitebeard faced fresh Teach and he almost won the fight, already had Teach on floor.
- Even after he died, there wasn't any injury on his proud back


Akainu the so called MVP resorted to:
- lying to Squardo
- taking advantage when Whitebeard coughed blood
- baiting Ace, otherwise Ace would escape already
- hide underground
 
#86
Shanks and Mihawk independently of their age or anything were narratively at their peak. Their role were already established : Mihawk was and is the WSS and will fight Zoro, it won’t change or vary till EOS. Shanks is Luffy goal, a Yonko, BB enemy etc. It was the same pre skip and is the same post skip.
Basically, you said nothing, they are at their peak and can only get stronger if both ate a DF, something which Teach did.
While for Akainu like Teach his character wasn’t at the its peak and evolved narratively. Akainu was introduced in MF as an admiral but only after the war and during the skip he fought Aokiji and became Fleet admiral and the new Marine leader. And as such his role for EOS was established. Not prior,
Headcanon: He has no narrative about being stronger because Oda already introduced him as someone who's barely stronger than Kuzan; that's why he won the fight in Punk Hazard.
There's no difference between FA Akainu and MF Akainu besides the changes in the ideals.

He didn't eat a DF, Nothing showed or stated he got stronger.

This is like saying when Luffy fought Lucci, he got stronger since he extreme diffed him lmao instead of acknowledging he was that stronger before the fight.
Same for Teach who is continuously evolving and growing. Independently of his age. To fit his role as Dark Luffy and one of the end game enemy
Teach's eating DFs, different from what you want to imply for Akainu.
 
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#87
À 10 days extreme diff fight against his fellow Admiral is not a magical power up

it’s a logical one
or you know... just a long fight between 2 top fighters where one eventually won? You know... the whole purpose of the fight?

Unlike in your schizophrenia where Akainu somehow was not in his prime as a 50yr old man and gained some bs power up despite Punk Hazard still being 50/50.
Sabo sent his YC 7 morley to deal with Fraud bull LMAOOO
Unlike with pathetic Mihawk event,
Sabo was not there when Admirals arrived
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#89
Basically, you said nothing, they are at their peak and can only get stronger if both ate a DF something which Teach does.

Headcanon: He has no narrative about being stronger because Oda already introduced him as someone who's barely stronger than Kuzan; that's why he won the fight in Punk Hazard.
There's no difference between FA Akainu and MF Akainu besides the changes in the ideals.

He didn't eat a DF, Nothing showed or stated he got stronger.

This is like saying when Luffy fought Lucci, he got stronger since he extreme diffed him lmao instead of acknowledging he was that stronger before the fight.

Teach's eating DFs, different from what you want to imply for Akainu/
Yea Rayaan's headcanon doesn't have any merit. Akainu was already at the peak of his powers in MF. We didn't see him go all out obviously, he did that offscreen against Kuzan who could take him to 10 days.
 
#90
It really wasn't. If it takes your son to die for you to muster up all your rage to cheapshot a dude from behind only to get half your head erased, and the dude continue to trott on after taking your final attack, that is anything but unimpressive.
Yeah it was literally a, I don't give a fuck about dying I'm pouring all my will, life and strength into killing you moment. Akainu was still fighting his crew shortly after

Mihawk got stalemated by Vista who Marco was confident in sending alone, Same Vista who looked like a fly with tons more help next to Akainu, and you're talking about unimpressive for the strongest.

You can't call Akainu unimpressive for top 1 and then unironically believe Mihawk is stronger when he didn't look even half as impressive Akainu during that war. Mihawk looked borderline commander lvl.
You gotta admit he tried harder than Mihawk also than Kizaru, Garp and Sengoku.

I do think it's between Akainu and Mihawk for current strongest as well as in MF. Would throw Kizaru in there but don't wanna deal with that
 
#91
or you know... just a long fight between 2 top fighters where one eventually won? You know... the whole purpose of the fight?

Unlike in your schizophrenia where Akainu somehow was not in his prime as a 50yr old man and gained some bs power up despite Punk Hazard still being 50/50.

Unlike with pathetic Mihawk event,
Sabo was not there when Admirals arrived
Tf is this schizo waffling about? a crazy cope lmaoo

He still left them to deal with Admirals your clown ass, while he was doing other tasks :

:gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh:

Sabo was confident in leaving YC 7 to deal with admirals.
:lulz::lulz::lulz::lulz:
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#93
Yeah it was literally a, I don't give a fuck about dying I'm pouring all my will, life and strength into killing you moment. Akainu was still fighting his crew shortly after


You gotta admit he tried harder than Mihawk also than Kizaru, Garp and Sengoku.

I do think it's between Akainu and Mihawk for current strongest. Would throw Kizaru in there but don't wanna deal with that
For sure, he tried harder. We also know Akainu who easily looked better than Aokiji, still got taken to a 10 day extreme diff. So it's more of a portrayal thing, that Oda had Akainu highlighted more so than any top tier aside from WB who was being sent off. He could have just given those feats to Aokiji for example, but it was a choice.

The thing is trying harder doesn't mean an Enraged WB cheapshot will be completely ineffective, what happened in canon, that's the least it could do.

Akainu took WB's strongest attacks clean, and continued to chase Luffy. He was barely even momentarily knocked down forget knocked out, because he would have fallen into the water below.

Basically WB cheapshots him, Akainu retaliates by taking his head off, WB then puts his all into a final attack, Akainu then seemingly falls into the chasm only for us to find out he didn't, he just dug through the ground to continue chasing Luffy. Which is what he was doing before WB and some others decided to interrupt him. WB was a corpse not even on Akainu's radar by that point, he was dead set on Luffy.

Saying Mihawk might be top 1 is one thing, he is genuinely one of the few who has a legit argument, but using the war of all things to disqualify Akainu when Mihawk didn't look half as impressive and had people even questioning his top tier status is kinda crazy.
 
#95
Sakazuki was 100% the MVP for the Marines during Marineford. I still think Whitebeard was the strongest in Marineford (I have Marineford WB stronger than the emperors too) but Sakazuki was absolutely him throughout that war.
 
#98
Tf is this schizo waffling about? a crazy cope lmaoo

He still left them to deal with Admirals your clown ass, while he was doing other tasks :

:gokulaugh::gokulaugh::gokulaugh:

Sabo was confident in leaving YC 7 to deal with admirals.
:lulz::lulz::lulz::lulz:
I don't really get where in your panel it says Sabo was there when Admirals came and only left afterwards. Wanna explain?

1. The initial report said they sighted 4 captains
2. Meanwhile before Admirals came, only 3 captains were roaming and destroying the city
3. After the Admirals came, Karasu asks if Sabo had found the key yet meaning that some time had passed and Sabo not only made it all the way to Marijoa but should've already found the key by Karasu's expectation

Doesn't sound like Sabo was there when Admirals came lol

Sorry, no matter how much you try to drag them down to Mihawk's pathetic infamy, Admirals are just not a joke unlike Vista's rival
 
#99
The thing is trying harder doesn't mean an Enraged WB cheapshot will be completely ineffective, what happened in canon, that's the least it could do.

Akainu took WB's strongest attacks clean, and continued to chase Luffy. He was barely even momentarily knocked down forget knocked out, because he would have fallen into the water below.

Basically WB cheapshots him, Akainu retaliates by taking his head off, WB then puts his all into a final attack, Akainu then seemingly falls into the chasm only for us to find out he didn't, he just dug through the ground to continue chasing Luffy. Which is what he was doing before WB and some others decided to interrupt him. WB was a corpse not even on Akainu's radar by that point, he was dead set on Luffy.
We agree with this part. Maybe I wasn't clear with below. The bold is WB
Yeah it was literally a, I don't give a fuck about dying I'm pouring all my will, life and strength into killing you moment. Akainu was still fighting his crew shortly after
 
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