Controversial Akatsuki VS Imu-Sama

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
The difference is, Gazelleman is a fodder who isn't remotely a serious threat to any high tier when it comes to actual speed feats - or do you think Gazelleman outspeeds a Shishisonson? - while the LS teleportation is a legit thing in Naruto which had repeatedly shown to have serious restrains on characters when even the 3rd Raikage wouldn't go unscratched from using it. Ay and Tsunade were injured when they used the LS teleportation.

That being said, OP characters are not LS either but they definitely have the advantage when it comes to dealing with LS since there is Kizaru who moves and attacks with LS.
Iirc Juudara had one LS move which Sot6P Naruto effortlessly dodged but like I said, that's a god tier. I can't just arbitrarily gift Naruto high or top tiers Sot6P Naruto's speed feat.
If you're going to gas bs One Piece speed feats, then Haku was already lightspeed in the beginning of part 1.
 
Narrators used to say truthful things before Oda decided to write everything out of his ass when we cannot even trust the narrator anymore. Gargling being the prime example.
That's just not true, lol. The narrator can tell us that Harald was a jackass, but not that oh "Harald was infamous for destroying entire countries"
or the Rocks pirates "wiped towns from off the map" but they only "ruined" a country. IMO, it gives us a good idea of how Oda himself views the characters, he would rather talk about sinking battleships as opposed to large scale destruction. We even had the narrator step in to hype a 5km clash, and you can't say that's an antifeat, that would be silly.

Speed antifeats are sort of forgivable/we can ignore, because no writer can really be consistent about that, tbh.
 
If you're going to gas bs One Piece speed feats, then Haku was already lightspeed in the beginning of part 1.
The LS teleportation itself debunks this statement. Plus, at the next arc the same characters struggled with sonic speed and any other similar feats were never shown again. There are just too many feats against light speed attacks in One Piece to call these "mere inconsistencies", unlike Haku's speed feats which were repeatedly contradicted in the entire manga till the end.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
The LS teleportation itself debunks this statement. Plus, at the next arc the same characters struggled with sonic speed and any other similar feats were never shown again. There are just too many feats against light speed attacks in One Piece to call these "mere inconsistencies", unlike Haku's speed feats which were repeatedly contradicted in the entire manga till the end.
There are thousands of speed feat contradictions in One Piece, I would go on for days if I listed every single contradiction.

Btw Kakashi's raikiri is named after him cutting lightning, and that's a staple move he's had since part 1.
 
or the Rocks pirates "wiped towns from off the map" but they only "ruined" a country. IMO, it gives us a good idea of how Oda himself views the characters, he would rather talk about sinking battleships as opposed to large scale destruction. We even had the narrator step in to hype a 5km clash, and you can't say that's an antifeat, that would be silly.
Tbh, wiping out an entire solid sized country when nothing is left isn't just a country feat, that's far more than that. Country level AP doesn't mean they can just casually wipe out entire countries but that their destructive power can affect countries in some form. Hence what matters is how much force an attack has and not if a mountain, island or country got destroyed because they wary in sizes. Alabasta is an island yet it is country sized. No OP character is capable to wipe out Alabasta like that. However, if you ask me if Fujitora has potential to destroy Dressrosa, a country, I definitely would say he does. After all, this guy spams meteors like nothing - and some of them are quite gigantic. He lifted the rubbles of the destroyed country and formed it into a large gigantic ball, Pica's golem was just a small part of it.
 
Changing the subject a bit, how could I forget Tobi being afraid of not being able to retrieve Jiraiya’s body for the Edo Tensei because of the water pressure, while Sanji and Luffy withstand more than 10,000 meters below the sea at the beginning of the post–timeskip.
Fodder durability.
 
The Magu, Hie, Pika, Zushi, Mori & the Goro have similar levels of island nuking capabilities.
The Mera & Suna are tier 2 Logias. Destructive & Lethal but not at the apex; maybe at the hands of a different user they may be tier 1.
The rest are forgettable.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Changing the subject a bit, how could I forget Tobi being afraid of not being able to retrieve Jiraiya’s body for the Edo Tensei because of the water pressure, while Sanji and Luffy withstand more than 10,000 meters below the sea at the beginning of the post–timeskip.
Fodder durability.
Durability is one area the mid tier OP characters excel at for sure. Clearly has Narutoverse beat there.

Though by the war arc characters could tank bijuu bombs. So even here the top tier characters started addressing it.
 
Tbh, wiping out an entire solid sized country when nothing is left isn't just a country feat, that's far more than that. Country level AP doesn't mean they can just casually wipe out entire countries but that their destructive power can affect countries in some form. Hence what matters is how much force an attack has and not if a mountain, island or country got destroyed because they wary in sizes. Alabasta is an island yet it is country sized. No OP character is capable to wipe out Alabasta like that. However, if you ask me if Fujitora has potential to destroy Dressrosa, a country, I definitely would say he does. After all, this guy spams meteors like nothing - and some of them are quite gigantic. He lifted the rubbles of the destroyed country and formed it into a large gigantic ball, Pica's golem was just a small part of it.
Yeah, Issho kind of scales pretty high up when you consider DC and AP,which was mentioned that if he and Aramaki were trying, they would devestate Mariejois. I'm just skeptical of the idea that he could destroy the redline or something. And ofc, country level itself could range from Russia to Vatican city.
 
There are thousands of speed feat contradictions in One Piece, I would go on for days if I listed every single contradiction.

Btw Kakashi's raikiri is named after him cutting lightning, and that's a staple move he's had since part 1.
As much as there are anti feats, there are also dozens of actual speed feats in favor of this verse.

The thing is, I wouldn't have an issue with it when lightning wasn't consistently portrayed as the fastest thing in the verse, aside of light, when the peak of the characters literally move and attack with it. Kakashi cutting lightning is a statement and can be meant symbolic, at least it was never shown he had actually cut through lightning, unlike Ay who legit moves with it.

Even Big Mom's real lightning attacks managed to hit the supernovas because they were able to follow them:



Prior to that, she managed to catch them off guard when they weren't paying attention:


When G5 Luffy was fighting Kaido, he was grabbing the lightning before it land to the ground, threw it at Kaido and later one easily grabbed it again and used it as a robe:


Have we seen such speed feats of Naruto high and top tiers? Those are pure on panel feats, no statements btw.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
As much as there are anti feats, there are also dozens of actual speed feats in favor of this verse.

The thing is, I wouldn't have an issue with it when lightning wasn't consistently portrayed as the fastest thing in the verse, aside of light, when the peak of the characters literally move and attack with it. Kakashi cutting lightning is a statement and can be meant symbolic, at least it was never shown he had actually cut through lightning, unlike Ay who legit moves with it.

Even Big Mom's real lightning attacks managed to hit the supernovas because they were able to follow them:



Prior to that, she managed to catch them off guard when they weren't paying attention:


When G5 Luffy was fighting Kaido, he was grabbing the lightning before it land to the ground, threw it at Kaido and later one easily grabbed it again and used it as a robe:


Have we seen such speed feats of Naruto high and top tiers? Those are pure on panel feats, no statements btw.
The very fact that Gear 5 used lightning to demonstrate how fast he was now, just shows you lightning is not to be underestimated even in the One Piece verse. Gear 5 Luffy is the apex of the verse.

Lightspeed is so fast in the One Piece verse that nobody, not even a Gorosei noticed when Kizaru fed Luffy and went back to his spot. These are the outiers in terms of speed.

Those shitty regular light beams the pacifista shoot out can't compare to when Kizaru is actually travelling once he turns into light.
 

MUUGEN

呪のろいの王
Idk, maybe Imu effortlessly defeated a PK level pirate? You know the scaling of OP top tiers, right? All of them massively outclass Naruto characters like Konan and the rest of the fodder Akatsuki. Lightning speed is a huge deal and mountain nuking attacks as well for the Naruto high tiers, even for the weaker top tiers - OP top tiers are able to handle LS and they can destroy dozens of mountains quite casually.

5 top tiers spammed their signature attacks on Imu, blew his body up and he regenerated everything without issues. Then Xebec cut him in pieces and Imu wasn't struggling either. If Imu wants, he tanks (yes, Konan can't even damage his Haki defence, too weak) everything Konan throws at him or if he's done playing around, a single speedblitz is enough to kill her.
effortlessly, lol theres a difference between having hax that bypasses everything than having speed, strength and skill....

once again name a feat that imu has in any of these departments.... dozens of mountains lol there are very few top tiers in one piece who can do that, OP is just about capped at island level feats, thats roughly the same as Naruto vs for top tiers with the top being planetary busters, for instance Kaido can not solo the verse of OP or come close to even doing what Madara did, meanwhile true top tiers in the verse can solo the entirety of the Narutoverse. Verse for Verse naruto scales leagues above OP. OP hax is pretty repetitive.

cause they attacked once and Xebec casually sliced imu and regened if you paid attention he is struggling to put himself together after Xebec sliced him, haki this haki that when it comes to verse to verse thats all i hear from you all and its all you can rely on, chakra overall is superior to haki and only a dozen can actually utilize it to its full extent if that...

speedblitz when had imu done such a thing?

& no imu does not tank Konans attack, Obito who could literally teleport to another dimensions couldnt, and even then that was Konans base attack hat took Obito to the brink by destroying entire limbs. Obito couldnt even withstand the 10minute onslaught with having hax abilities and needed to use a 1 in 11763638937893723 attack that changes reality, that isnt something imu can do or change lol

stop with this nonsense that imu can "tank" this level of attacks.

imu is extremely non durable and so are the entirety of the HK, do they have regen yes so what of it, they have been shown weak overall.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Germa 66 and the Yonko hired the Akatsuki to destroy the World Governments base in Mariejois and Kill Imu-Sama
They are paying 20,000,000,000 berries for the job.
The Akatsuki Team sent to do the job:


Edo Deidara
Edo Sasori
Edo Itachi
Kisame
Samehada
Orochimaru
Kakuzu
Hidan
Juubi Obito
konan
Sasuke
What the Hell? The Akatsuki stomps lmfao

no one in Op can stop an Edo Tensei and Edo Deidara repeatedly nukes the red line into oblivion.

Juubi Obito can only be hurt by senjutsu or taijutsu—fruit powers aren’t gonna cut it. He also nukes the red line
 
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