Current Events Alright let me get this straight when it comes to Luffy, Zoro, Kizaru, and Saturn

So you have no proof they are weaker than an admiral. Good to know.

They were fine and Sabo was running for his life.
Yea I have.
Senryoku > Kenryoku.
You're the one with the burden of proof
Your agenda is backed up by jackshit
Lorosei let Sabo escape 1v5 on top of being backed up by Imu
 
No, this is just completely wrong.

The people who think Zoro to fight Saturn aren't trying to push Zoro > Luffy.

You're just completely wrong there.

The idea is more:
  • After defeating King, it's time for Zoro to face a Top Tier
  • Zoro is too strong for VAs
  • Zoro should get payback for the humiliation he suffered in Sabaody
  • Etc.
It really isn't Cin lol. You're definitely the minority of thr Zoro fans on this. The main idea behind Zoro always fighting the big bad (a theme that's reoccurring with every arc it seems) always revolves around the general agenda which is Zoro > Luffy. This happens either in form of Zoro taking the final enemy or the RHM being stronger than the captain and no this definitely is not just a troll take, believe. I've been on way too many debates about this with various Zoro fans.

The Saturn > Borsalino thing isn't double standards nor inconsistency.

People that think Imu and the Gorosei would be the final villains expect them to be stronger than the Admirals.
That doesn't stop by the Admirals though. The Gorosei being strong, stronger than the Admirals put them at the absolute Top of the OP verse and no character doesn't matter from which faction is an exception of this yet this isn't what most Zoro fans would say because their counter argument would be that Ghandi doesn't have a Black Blade and is thus below Mihawk via title.

You're just way off base here.

Honestly, I'm surprised at this appalling take from you. You're normally more charitable/even handed than this.
I can't speak for every Zoro fan but the vast majority I've interacted with surely operate like I mentioned above.
:kayneshrug:
Saturn > Borsalino.

Saturn is Borsalino's direct superior. They are not "comparable".
there is still no prove for that. Higher rank doesn't mean higher combat ability, we've had several examples of this.


Borsalino isn't a peer to Mihawk either.

Shanks has already disabused us of the notion that the admirals are on par with the strongest pirates.
Nah this ain't it. Shanks would be pushed to at the worst High diff by the weakest Admiral and Kizaru pushes anyone and I mean anyone to extreme diff. Every C3 does.
 

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It really isn't Cin lol. You're definitely the minority of thr Zoro fans on this. The main idea behind Zoro always fighting the big bad (a theme that's reoccurring with every arc it seems) always revolves around the general agenda which is Zoro > Luffy. This happens either in form of Zoro taking the final enemy or the RHM being stronger than the captain and no this definitely is not just a troll take, believe. I've been on way too many debates about this with various Zoro fans.


That doesn't stop by the Admirals though. The Gorosei being strong, stronger than the Admirals put them at the absolute Top of the OP verse and no character doesn't matter from which faction is an exception of this yet this isn't what most Zoro fans would say because their counter argument would be that Ghandi doesn't have a Black Blade and is thus below Mihawk via title.


I can't speak for every Zoro fan but the vast majority I've interacted with surely operate like I mentioned above.
:kayneshrug:

there is still no prove for that. Higher rank doesn't mean higher combat ability, we've had several examples of this.



Nah this ain't it. Shanks would be pushed to at the worst High diff by the weakest Admiral and Kizaru pushes anyone and I mean anyone to extreme diff. Every C3 does.
No latrine is pushing mihawk to anything higher than low.
 
Going from king the strongest yc1 with ben to a va is okay to them but Zoro clashing with a top tier is not

Hilarious times
You repeatedly keep spamming something that pretty much no-one but maybe Albino says. Stop generalising it. DR Sabo clashed with an Admiral so did DR Zoro, Luffy and then Karasu and even fucking Morley.

Zoro can clash with Kizaru but Luffy will defeat him.
 

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It really isn't Cin lol. You're definitely the minority of thr Zoro fans on this. The main idea behind Zoro always fighting the big bad (a theme that's reoccurring with every arc it seems) always revolves around the general agenda which is Zoro > Luffy. This happens either in form of Zoro taking the final enemy or the RHM being stronger than the captain and no this definitely is not just a troll take, believe. I've been on way too many debates about this with various Zoro fans.
Disagree that I'm in the minority of Zoro fans here.

From my perspective most of the Zoro fans on the Zoro vs Borsalino train think:
  • Luffy is stronger than Zoro
  • The vice admirals are too weak to give Zoro a great fight
  • It's time for Zoro to prove himself vs a Top Tier

This really isn't about Zoro being stronger than Luffy.

Some Zoro fans believe that, but they're the small minority.



That doesn't stop by the Admirals though. The Gorosei being strong, stronger than the Admirals put them at the absolute Top of the OP verse and no character doesn't matter from which faction is an exception of this yet this isn't what most Zoro fans would say because their counter argument would be that Ghandi doesn't have a Black Blade and is thus below Mihawk via title.
I think it's somewhat possible Gandhi is > Mihawk TBH.

If Zoro fights Gandhi after Mihawk, that would become more credible.

That said I won't bet on Gandhi > Mihawk.

As I see it:

Mihawk >= Shanks > current Admirals.

Sakazuki could be on par with Mihawk/Shanks, and the Gorosei could end up there or maybe even higher.

Though I'll concede that if Borsalino is stronger than Saturn, he'll definitely be Luffy's fight.



there is still no prove for that. Higher rank doesn't mean higher combat ability, we've had several examples of this.
Yeah, this is true that it's not proven.

I was mostly highlighting that it's very plausible that Saturn is stronger than Borsalino.

The way I see it, if Saturn is a Top Tier combatant he'll be on a higher level.

If he's not, then Borsalino is stronger.

I don't see Saturn being a Top Tier that's weaker or on par with Borsalino.



Nah this ain't it. Shanks would be pushed to at the worst High diff by the weakest Admiral and Kizaru pushes anyone and I mean anyone to extreme diff. Every C3 does.
To be clear I don't think Shanks stomps the Admirals.

But Aramaki's portrayal is not someone on par with Shanks/Kaido:
  • He was intimidated and forced to back off by Shanks
  • He said that he wouldn't have come to Wano if Kaido was still around

I am willing to give the Logias the benefit of the doubt over the new Admirals, but Borsalino not being given a higher bounty than the others makes me less sceptical.

I currently thinks Sakazuki, Mihawk, Shanks and Kaido are a level above the current 3 Admirals.

Kuzan did go extreme diff with Sakazuki preskip, but presumably Sakazuki has grown somewhat by emerging the victor of their battle.

That said if Kuzan/Borsalino are confirmed to be Awakened while the new Admirals are not, I'll bump them up in my tier list.
 
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