Future Events An 'Ace-like' death in the Wano arc.

[Paperchampion23]

Because it’s poor story telling to use a narrative device twice to weaker effect the second time.

“death of a loved one” has already been done twice by the way, first with going merry, and then with ace. A lot of people will argue that going merry was more impactful and didn’t really care as much about ace, Ace becomes a meme, thus proving my point.

personally I think ace situation is different as a person, though, so I give oda a pass on that. And of course in story Ace impacted luffy more.

This comment makes zero sense. Death is death. Merry wasnt shocking, it was forshadowed for a hundred chapters. Whitebeard sealed his fate after Ace was saved, it was his decision. Ace's death was the first and only death in this series that was an absosolutr shock and changed the tied of the story. Pedro literally tried killing himself twice and alluded to dying at WCI multiple times. It was different.

If someone died at Wano, im sure id be different.

 

[Paperchampion23]

True, but I think the ambiguity lends itself to him remaining alive more than not.

It really depends, many people said the same about Ace until his full motivations and character came literally the chapter he died and Luffy's flashback. That closed his arc, as well as the grave scene with Marco/Shank's.

Listen, im totally not an advocate for Law just dying to die. Itd have to be powerful and a smart move by Oda to do it. He'd have to, like Ace, explain why Law can die in that moment. Anyway, I just think that if anyone were to die, it'd be him or a Scabbard, but it would have to be done well, like most of the few deaths this manga has.

What’s shocking got to do with it. Law dying at this point doesn’t serve a purpose in the narrative that I can see. It’s just people saying to end a character because we don’t know what Oda is doing with him. And that really does make zero sense.

Shocking has nothing to do with it, but its what makes Ace's death different from any other death in the story. A Wano death doesnt have to be shocking, it could be a sacrifice made, lets say similar to Pell, except the person dies. It could be any other type of plot device to cause a death to occur.

I only advocate Law's death because it COULD be powerful for the story. If Oda has nothing more for him, than why not. If Oda has more plans for Law, then of course I dont want him to die!

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

law narrative just being told?
he's as fleshed out as ace before he died.
had a flashback
essentially iterated his journey to that point was to end doffy
he built the rift with kaido so kaido would get angry with doffy and end him himself originally.
never expressed desires to find op or become pk.
what else to flesh out?

 

[Finalbeta]

I feel like there will be none

It already occurred long ago in Oden after all

No reason why Oda would replicate the tragedy again

 

[Paperchampion23]

I feel like there will be none

It already occurred long ago in Oden after all

No reason why Oda would replicate the tragedy again

I think the whole idea that it might happen is like 2 years ago Oda alluded to Luffy having to make "sacrifices in order to fight for what he believes in". Could be his health or his body, could be another person if they offer. We really dont know what Oda meant when he talked about Wano this way.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Who fits it better in your opinion?

No one.

I only proposed that it could Kid because we don't know enough about Kid to tell whether this could be climax of his story. So only kid could later be written into such a role

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Because it’s poor story telling to use a narrative device twice to weaker effect the second time.

This is true but Oda decided to give Sanji a whole style Robin arc but weaker so it's possible Oda doesn't care trying something so weak

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

law narrative just being told?
he's as fleshed out as ace before he died.
had a flashback
essentially iterated his journey to that point was to end doffy
he built the rift with kaido so kaido would get angry with doffy and end him himself originally.
never expressed desires to find op or become pk.
what else to flesh out?

It seems alot of people aren't getting my point

The fact that a lot about Law has been already told to us and most of his narrative significance has passed is the reason why him dying CANNOT BE TRAGIC like Ace dying.

Ace's death is a tragedy because his story WASN'T complete. There was more stuff to do with him. He had a dream that he never managed to achieve.

That's why I compared that to a strawhat dying. Right now only a strawhat death can create that level of loss for the audience where you feel like it's a shame thehat the person died so young. This is the situation that creates phrases like "He died so young". It's a tragedy because there was much more the person could've done.

Law finished the climax of his story in Dressrosa. Theres nowhere else to go for his character than down. That why him dying is such a common theory. Because there's not much else for him to do. And thats why it can never be as tragic as Ace.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

It seems alot of people aren't getting my point

The fact that a lot about Law has been already told to us and most of his narrative significance has passed is the reason why him dying CANNOT BE TRAGIC like Ace dying.

Ace's death is a tragedy because his story WASN'T complete. There was more stuff to do with him. He had a dream that he never managed to achieve.

That's why I compared that to a strawhat dying. Right now only a strawhat death can create that level of loss for the audience where you feel like it's a shame thehat the person died so young. This is the situation that creates phrases like "He died so young". It's a tragedy because there was much more the person could've done.

Law finished the climax of his story in Dressrosa. Theres nowhere else to go for his character than down. That why him dying is such a common theory. Because there's not much else for him to do. And thats why it can never be as tragic as Ace.

was responding to a comment on the thread which suggested his narrative was just being told.
Also Think ace's death was impactful due to closeness to luffy and the fans not necessarily the potential he had. That difference is why law still looks like a viable option to a lot of people. ace wanted to make wb pk, wb was slated to die in mf to signify the changing era. His journey ended there, sure wb wanted ace to become pk, but he himself wanted to put wb on there. death was impactful because it forced luffy to grow and reflect.
the theme that started at saboady and cemented at mf, he wasnt ready for the big leagues and if he wanted to protect his folks like ace, he needed to get stronger.

 

[Albino 👑]

Imo the most likely candidates are
One of the dukes and one of the samurai scabbards

 

[dirtyLarry]

Would love to actually see a really shocking, emotional and well-written death of an important character, but Oda just isn't the type to do that. WB and Ace were obvious exceptions.

Until Oda proves me otherwise, I expect only minor deaths like the Pedro one. He doesn't like to kill off important characters.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Greg actually talked about this recently. It's the final war that's for sure been compared to Marineford, not Wano

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1243375780677038080

The Jump Festa statement in question being this one

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/942320866964025344

The "Marineford War will look cute" statement came in the same interview that he said we'll be going into Wano next year, but it's not necessarily about the same thing- it actually seems to be talking about the Lurking Legend. Could even be a reference to God's Valley, which certainly made Marineford look "cute" given what we've heard about it.

But anyway, if there is to be a death on Wano, my money would be on Kin'emon. He would provide the gut punch that Law and Kid don't.

Readers have known him the longest, Strawhats have known him the longest, leader of the Scabbards, seems the closest to Momo, has a wife waiting for him. He dies fulfilling his masters dream and that's all the recipe we need for a tragic death.

The other Scabbards wouldn't have as much an effect. If he kills off another Whitebeard pirate it'll honestly start to be darkly funny given how many of them have popped their clogs already. Time to kill off Law was Dressrosa, Kid just hasn't been involved enough for anyone to really care, other Worst Gen are even less involved, obviously not going to be a Strawhat.

And Kaido might get some tragedy about him prior to dying, up in the air whether a villain would have that effect though.

 

[Red Admiral]

Law ... fit perfectly for plot

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Dunno if we get something like that... Perhaps from the other side this time? Because we haven't seen a major death from an enemy side yet... I can see Kaido as the biggest death for this arc...

Other characters I can see dying are: Orochi, half of the Scabbards, Hyogoro, Judge (if he appears)... Law and Big Mom are also possible...

 

[Perun]

If Law doesn't betray Luffy,I wouldn't mind him having a glorious end in Wano,because so far he has turned into Luffy's sidekick,it would be much more cool if he betrayed him.Loved more how Capone handled the alliance with the SHs.

 

[bennbeckman]

I think Kinemon or Denjiro

 

[Natalija]

I definitely believe SOMEONE should die for this war to feel serious. Someone on the heroes' side, and I don't mean irrelevant like any of the Wano exclusives like the Scabbards/Orochi - beyond that (though they should be dead already).

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Yamato is the best candidate for this

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

I definitely believe SOMEONE should die for this war to feel serious. Someone on the heroes' side, and I don't mean irrelevant like any of the Wano exclusives like the Scabbards/Orochi - beyond that (though they should be dead already).

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Yamato is the best candidate for this

????
No

 

[RedditorsAreBitchmade]

Only ones i could see oda possibly killing are scabbards,but even that seems not likely the way its going.
If characters dont die in this arc im quitting after 10+ years of weekly following. Its sad really,but i cant keep watching oda destroy this great story